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Lucas Poynings
- Preferred Name: Lucas Poynings[1] [2]
- Gender: M
- Burial: 1376 in Winchester, Hampshire, England at LATI: N1.0629 LONG: E1.3148 with note: GEDCOM Standardized
- FSID: GFG3-MQW
- Birth: 1323 in Poynings, Sussex, England at LATI: N0.8939 LONG: E0.2104 with note: GEDCOM Standardized
- Death: 5 JUN 1376 in Basingstoke, Hampshire, England at LATI: N1.2817 LONG: E1.0671 with note: GEDCOM Standardized
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
“Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“ISABEL DE SAINT JOHN, de jure suo jure Lady Saint John of Basing, younger daughter, born about 1333 (aged 14 in 1347). She was co-heiress in 1347 to her brother, Edmund de Saint John, 3rd Lord Saint John. She married (1st) before August 1347 HENRY DE BURGHERSH, son and heir apparent of Bartholomew de Burghersh, Knt., 3rd Lord Burghersh, by Elizabeth, daughter and co-heiress of Thebaud de Verdun, Knt., 2nd Lord Verdun [see BURGHERSH 7 for his ancestry]. They had no issue. He died in Nov. 1348. She married (2nd) before 29 Jan. 1348/9 LUKE DE POYNINGS (or PONYNGES), Knt., in right of his wife, of Basing, Amport, etc., Hampshire, Halnaker, Sussex, West Shefford, Berkshire, etc., Keeper of Pamper Forest, Hampshire, younger son of Thomas de Poynings, Knt., of Poynings, Sussex, by Agnes, younger daughter and co-heiress of Richard de Rokesley (or Rokesle), Knt. [see POYNINGS 13 for his ancestry]. They had one son, Thomas, Knt. [5th Lord Saint John of Basing], and one daughter, Joan. In 1358 he was preparing to go abroad. His wife, Isabel, was heiress in 1361 to her nephew, John de Saint Philibert He was summoned to Parliament from 24 Feb. 1367/8 to 20 Jan. 1375/6, by writs directed Luce de Ponynges, whereby he is held to have become Lord Saint John. He presented to the churches of Warnford, Hampshire, 1369, Sherbome St John, Hampshire, 1371, and Chawton, Hampshire, 1372. In 1370 he took 10 men-at-arms overseas in the king's service. SIR LUKE DE POYNINGS, 4th Lord Saint John of Basing, left a will dated 5 June 1376, proved 4 July 1376. He was buried at Wamford, Hampshire. In 1377 his widow, Isabel, Walter Devenish, parson of Chawton, and Thomas Worting owed Master Adam de Wigmore and other executors of Luke de Poynings a debt of £460. In 1378 she granted a messuage and two crofts of land in Bramley, Hampshire to Humphrey Gylot, of Bramley, and Elizabeth his wife. She presented to the church of Warnford, Hampshire in 1381. Isabel married (3rd) before 1 March 1384 (date of license) THOMAS DE WORTYNG (or WORTYNGE), Knt., Justice of the Peace in Hampshire, 1389. He and his wife, Isabel, presented to the church of Wamford, Hampshire in 1387. He presented to the church of Chawton, Hampshire in June 1390. In June 1390 the king gave license to him and his wife, Isabel, to grant the manor of Binsted, Hampshire to William de Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester. SIR THOMAS DE WORTYNG died testate shortly before 20 Dec. 1390. Isabel, Lady Saint John, died 16 (or 17) October 1393.
Dugdale Baronage of England 2 (1676): 463-465 (sub Port). Hasted Hist. & Top. Survey of Kent 2 (1797): 268-270. Brydges Collins' Peerage of England 9 (1812): 475-476 (sub Poynings, Lord Poynings). Berry County Gens.: Sussex Fams. (1830): 61. Burke Gen'l & Heraldic Dict. of the Peerages of England, Ireland & Scotland (1831): 457-458 (sub St. John). Dallaway Hist. of the Western Division of the County of Sussex 2(2) (1832): 124 (Saint John ped.). Sussex Arch. Colls. 15 (1863): 1-56. Elwes Hist. of the Castles, Mansions & Manors of Western Sussex (1876): 40 (Poynings ped.). Burke Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1883): 466-467 (sub St. John). Burrows Fam. of Brocas of Beauroaire & Roche Court (1886): 364-366 (seal of Isabel, lady de St. John dated 1378 bears three lozenges, containing the arms of Poynings, St. John, and Burghersh), opposite 408 (illustration of seal), 409-410. Kirby Wykeham's Reg. 1(1896): 25, 38, 45, 78, 113, 137, 160, 174; 2 (1899): 256-258 (will of Luke de Ponynges, Lord Saint John), 430, 443. List of Foregn Accounts (Lists & Indexes XI) (1900): 222. C.P.R. 1388-1392 (1902): 137, 265, 312. VCH Hampshire 2 (1903): 496 (Poynings arms: Barry gold and vert with a baston gules); 3 (1908): 269; 4 (1911): 115-116, 158-159, 337-344, 433-435. Wrottesley Peels, from the Plea Rolls (1905): 78. List of lnqs. ad Quad Damnum 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 22) (1906): 674. C.P. 2 (1912): 426 (sub Burghersh); 10 (1945): 665-666 (sub Poynings); 11 (1949): 327-328 (sub Saint John), 367 (sub Saint Philibert). VCH Berkshire 4 (1924): 238-242. VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 140-150. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 463: 1. Ancient Deeds - Ser. A 1 (List & Index Soc. 151) (1978): 81. Hanna Cartularies of Southwick Priory 2 (Hampshire Recs. 10) (1989): 152. Bothwell Edward III & the English Peerage (2004): 104. Hanna Christchurch Priory Cartulary (Hampshire Rec. Ser. 18) (2007): 374-375. National Archives, C 131/27/24; C 131/27/25; C 131/30/4; C 131/197/24; C 143/418/9; C 241/164/132 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Children of Isabel de Saint John, by Luke de Poynings, Knt.:
i. THOMAS POYNINGS, Knt. [see next.).
ii. JOAN DE POYNINGS, married HENRY DE FERRERS, Knt., 4th Lord Ferrers of Groby [see GROBY 12].”
=== From the collection of Jerry Dean Ferren ===
From the collection of Jerry Dean Ferren.
=== Relation to Jack Peterken note ===
Twentieth Great Grandfather : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
=== Lucas de Poynings, younger son of Thoma ===
Lucas de Poynings, younger son of Thomas, 1st Lord Poynings , under the writ of Edward III, having m. in the 23rd Edwar d III, Isabel, widow of Henry de Burghersh, dau. of Hugh d e St. John, Lord St. John, of Basing (a barony created by w rit in the 28th Edward I), and sister and co-heir of Edmund , Lord St. John, had an assignation of all the lands of he r inheritance and, in some years afterwards, on the death o f Margaret, the said Isabel's mother, he had a further assi gnation of the manors of Basing and Shireborne. This Luca s was in the wars of France, and had summons to parliamen t in his wife's barony (it is supposed) of St. John of Basi ng, from 24 February, 1368, to 20 January, 1376. His lords hip d. about the year 1385, and was s. by his son, Sir Thom as Poynings, Knt. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, For feited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London , 1883, p. 444, Poynings, Barons Poynings] This file is as error-free as my sources. IF you should di scover an error, I would appreciate it if you would bring i t to my attention and provide me with the correct informati on and source for that information. Many thanks.
=== Luke De Poynings ===
Luke De Poynings was the second son. He used the Poynings arms Barry Or and Vert a bend Gules charged with an annulet for difference. His will, dated 5 June 1376, was proved at Farnham 4 July 1376 He left legaie for his wife Isabel, his son Thomas and his grandson Luke.
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.42; ENGLAND PUB AF NS VOL 23 P.341; ENGLAND PUBLICATION AE 5S VOL 9 P.85; (GS NUMBER 942 D22K) VOL 4; (GS NUMBER 942 B2GQM); (GS NUMBER 942 D22K); THE COMPLETE PEERAGE VOL 10;
Preferred Parents:
Father: Thomas de Poynings, b. 1294 in Poynings, Sussex, England, United Kingdom
Mother: Agnes Rokesley, b. MAY 1299 in Ruxley, Kent, England, United Kingdom d. 22 DEC 1349 in Poynings, Sussex, England, United Kingdom
Family 1: Isabelle St John Lady de Basing, b. 29 JUN 1333 in Old Basing, Hampshire, England d. 16 OCT 1393 in Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, England
- m. 10 NOV 1348 in Old Basing, Hampshire, England
- Johanna Poynings, b. 1356 in Basingstoke, Hampshire, England d. 30 MAY 1394 in Groby, Leicestershire, England
Sources:
- Title: Luke Poynings, "Find A Grave Index"
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG9-3T1X : 1 July 2020), Luke Poynings, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID , Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG9-3T1X;
- Title: Baron St John of Basing
Author: Writ of Summons dated 29 December 1299, 28 Edward I
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_St_John_of_Basing;
Note: Summary extract of Writ
Page: Husband of Isabel St John, 4th Baroness St John (m. 1350)
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