Margaret De Lisle

• Preferred Name: Margaret De Lisle^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]}
  
• Alternate Name: St Quintin
  
• Gender: F
  
• Christening: in Tortworth, Gloucestershire, England at LATI: N1.635 LONG: E2.4293 with note: Place
  
• Death: 1362 in Kingston Lisle, Berkshire, England at LATI: N1.5862 LONG: E1.533
  
• FSID: LHGM-XQJ
  
• NFS ID: with note: Description: MDFZ-79M NFS
  
• Birth: ABT 1303 in Kingston Lisle, Berkshire, England at LATI: N1.5862 LONG: E1.533 with note: Standardize
  
• Fact: with note: Description: https://www.geni.com/people/Margery-de-Saint-Quintin-Lady/6000000003097947176?through=6000000000796850838
  
• Burial: 1385 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England at LATI: N1.6906 LONG: E2.4579 with note: Date
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Found at Wikitree
  
  Richardson, in his Magna Carta Ancestry, describes Margery's exact parentage only as probable, at least in one place (in the Oddingseles descent).[1] In his newer publication Royal Ancestry he does not register any such doubts.[2]
  
  One clear secondary source is The History and Antiquities of the Seigniory of Holderness Volume 1, by George Poulson (1840). On page 266 in the pedigree of St. Quintin, she is described:"Margery, daughter and co-heir of Warren d'Insula, Lord L'Isle, widow of Sir Thomas Berkeley, after married to Sir Roger Hulse, who died s.p. 35 Edward III. She also died the same year.-Inq. P.M. vol.2, p.233."[3] That would mean 1361 or 1362.
  
  In the narrative on the next page, a similar description is given although it seems to contain errors, replacing Warren for Warwick, and adds a generation repeating the words "Margery daughter and co-heir" (making Margery the daughter of a Margery who was daughter of Warwick).[4]
  
  The inquisition post mortem exists for Roger Husee, and confirms that he held lands jointly with his wife Margery, which were all by gift from Warin de Insula, and Edmund de Chelrye. These include tenements in Est Grenstede and Worthe in Sussex, the manor of Morton in Dorset, and lands in Brudemer, Wiltshire. Roger died September 35 Edward III (1361) and Roger and Margery had no heir from Roger's body. (Most of the counties reported that he died on the 1st day of that month.)[5] Margery's IPM is next in the modern edition. these mention her "first" husband Herbert de Sancto Quintino, and that Herbert and Margery had surviving heirs, Elizabeth (aged 20 years according to one IPM, 18 and more according to another, married to John de Marmyon, knight) and Lora (18 and more years according to one IPM, 17 and more according to another, married to Robert de Grey). Margery died "Friday before Whitsunday last" according to one IPM, and 21 May according to another.[6]
  
  This profile at RootsWeb.com cites Complete Peerage and says that:
  
  He [Roger Husee] m. before 13 Feb 1350/1, Margery, widow of Herbert de St. Quentin, of Brandesburton and Mappleton, co. York, Stanton St. Quintin, Wilts, &c. She d. 21 May 1361. He d. s.p., 1 Sep 1361, when any hereditary barony which may be supposed to have been created by the writ of 1348 became extinct. [Complete Peerage VII:12-14]
  NOTE: CP doesn't identify Margery, but several posts on SGM state the wife of Herbert was Margery de Lisle.
  Douglas Richardson posted on the Medieval Genealogy list that Bridget Wells-Furby wrote to him that "Margery, wife of Sir Herbert de St Quinton (d.1347) and Roger Husee (d. 1361)"...
  
  "is said to have been a daughter of Warin de Lisle (d. 1322) and Alice Tyeys? I have some circumstantial evidence that they may have been kinsfolk (St Quinton and his son, Herbert, who evidently died without issue v.p., campaigned with Gerard de Lisle in 1346-7, the elder witnessed two important Lisle family charters in January 1346, and in 1353 Gerard was a feoffee for the settlement of Husee manors on Husee and his wife Margery)."[7]
  The IPM editions from these times show more connections between people with these various surnames.
  
  The question of Margery's ancestry is possibly connected to the question of the first husband mentioned by Poulson, Thomas Berkeley. It appears that this is wrong, but also a confusion found in older pedigrees. As mentioned above, one of the IPMs for Margery stated that the witnesses believed Herbert had been her first husband. Doug Richardson in Magna Carta ancestry accepts that "Margaret", daughter of Warren Lord Lisle and his wife Alice Tyas. One of the Lisle pedigrees he cites seems to have confirmed that this Margaret then married Herbert St Quintin. Richardson says that Margaret and Thomas Berkeley had a daughter named Elizabeth. She married Richard Beauchamp.[8]
  
  However, in another descent, Richardson describes this Margaret (mother of Elizabeth Berkeley) as the daughter of another Warin Lisle and Margaret Pipard, as does Wikitree. This Warin is the grandson of the other one, who married Alice Tyas.
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  Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 439-440.
  
  1. Sampson Foliot, Knt., living 30 May 1281, died before Easter term 1282, married Alice _____, living Easter term 1282.
  2. Joan Foliot, married Henry le Tyeys, of Alverton (in Penzance), Cornwall, Albury, Fritwell, and Shirburn, Oxfordshire, etc., died by 1282.
  3. Henry le Tyeys, Knt., 1st Lord Tyeys, married Hawise de Montagu.
  4. Alice le Tyeys, married Warin de Lisle, Knt.
  5. MARGERY DE LISLE, married HERBERT DE SAINT QUINTIN, Knt., of Brandesburton, Yorkshire, Great Bradley (in Cookham), Berkshire, Stanton St. Quintin, Wiltshire, Frome St. Quintin, Dorset, etc., son and heir of Herbert de Saint Quintin, of Stanton St. Quintin, Wiltshire, by Lora, daughter of Walter de Fauconberge, Lord Fauconberge. They had two daughters, Elizabeth and Lora. He witnessed a charter of Alice, widow of Warin de Lisle, Knt., and her son, Henry Tyeys, Knt. in 1346. SIR HERBERT DE SAINT QUINTIN died in May 1347. His widow, Margery, married (2nd) before 13 Feb. 1350/1 without license ROGER HUSEE (or HUSSEY), Knt., of West Betchworth, Surrey, Moreton, West Hemsworth, and Ringstead, Dorset, Barton Stacey, Hampshire, etc., son and heir of John Husee, Knt., of Moreton and West Hemsworth, Dorset, Bridmore (in Berwick St. John), Wiltshire, etc., by Maud, daughter of Reynold de Haselden. He was born at Moreton, Dorset 7 July 1305. They had no issue. He was on the king’s service in 1332. He was summoned for military service 24 Dec. 1334 and 27 March 1335. He was summoned to Parliament from 20 Nov. 1348, 1 Jan. 1348/9, and 10 March 1348/9, by writs directed Rogero Huse or Husee, whereby he is held to have become Lord Husee. His wife, Margery, died 21 May 1361. SIR ROGER HUSEE, Lord Husee, died 1 Sept. 1361.
  Kimber & Johnson, Baronetage of England 1 (1771): 431–437 (sub St. Quintin) (author identifies Margery, wife of Herbert de Saint Quintin, as “daughter and coheir of Warin d’Insula, Lord Lisle.”). Banks, Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 1 (1807): 412–414 (sub St. Quintin) (author identifies Margery, wife of Herbert de Saint Quintin, as “daughter and coheir of Warine de Lisle”). Poulson, Hist. & Antiqs. of the Seigniory of Holderness 1 (1840): 267 (author identifies Margery, wife of Herbert de Saint Quintin, as “daughter and co-heir of Margery daughter and co-heir of Warwick de Lisle.”). Banks, Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 254–255 (sub Hoese), 307–308 (sub Marmyun of Witringham), 406–407 (sub St. Quintin) (St. Quintin ped.) (author identifies Margery, wife of Herbert de Saint Quintin, as “sister of Gerard de Lisle.”). Burke, Gen. Hist. of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1866): 469–470 (sub St. Quintin) (author identifies Margery, wife of Herbert de St. Quintin, as “sister of Gerard de Lisle, and dau. and co-heir of Warine de Lisle.”). C.C.R. 1346–1349 (1905): 227. C.C.R. 1349–1354 (1906): 283–284. C.C.R. 1360–1364 (1909): 194. VCH Berkshire 3 (1923): 124–133. C.P. 7 (1929): 12–14 (sub Husee). VCH Wiltshire 14 (1991): 215–216. VCH Yorkshire E.R. 7 (2002): 245–254, 306–321. Berkeley Castle Muniments, BCM/B/4/4/1 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). National Archives, SC 8/115/5745 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk).
  6. Lora de Saint Quintin, married (1st) Robert de Grey, Knt.
  7. Elizabeth Grey, married Henry Fitz Hugh, K.G., 3rd Lord Fitz Hugh.
  
  === Ancestral File Number: B1PM-D8 BIRT ===
  Ancestral File Number: B1PM-D8 BIRT PLAC Of Kingston Lisle, Brkshr, Eng
  
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  === !BIRTH PLACE:Kingston Lisle, Berkshire, ===
  !BIRTH PLACE:Kingston Lisle, Berkshire, England !From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
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  === Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
  Twentieth Great Grandmother : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandmother
  
  === ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY ===
  ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === !From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 ===
  !From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
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  === Ancestral File Number: 9T78-KR ===
  Ancestral File Number: 9T78-KR
  
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  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
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  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 ===
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  === Birth also 1302 in IGI Birthplace also S ===
  Birth also 1302 in IGI Birthplace also Stowe, Nottingham,England
  
  === --Other Fields STAT: SUBMITTED @02015846 ===
  --Other Fields STAT: SUBMITTED @02015846@ Non-standard gedcom data: 1 HEAL B1PM-D8
  
  === BIRT PLAC Of Kingston Lisle, Brkshr, Eng ===
  BIRT PLAC Of Kingston Lisle, Brkshr, Eng
  
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  Line 142 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BIRT PLAC Of Kingston Lisle, Brkshr, Eng From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

• m. ABT 1339 in Frome St Quintin, Dorset Co, England

1. Lora St Quintin, b. 1342 in Brandesburton, Yorkshire, England     d. 1369 in Brandesburton, Yorkshire, England

• m. 1348 in England

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: * Margery D' Insula -
   Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, July 1996 (c), data as of 2 January 1996
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222795
   
2. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Margery de Lisle -
   Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, July 1996 (c), data as of 2 January 1996
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222795
   
3. Title: Archbishop William Zouche of York's Registers
   Author: The Borthwick Institute at the University of York, England
   Publication: Name: https://archbishopsregisters.york.ac.uk/searches/show?all_sterms=adam+de+thornton&any_sterms=&archival_repository=all&end_date=&entry_id=qv33s970p&exact_sterms=&folio_id=3484zj71v&folio_title=Register+10+f.223+%28recto%29+entry+3&none_sterms=&page=3&rows_per_page=10&search_mode=advanced&search_term=adam+de+thornton++&start_date=;
   Note: Lists of wills and probates
   Page: Mentioned in husband Herbert's will entry 2 page 317r
   
4. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Margery de Lisle -
   Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222797
   
5. Title: Legacy NFS Source: * Margery D' Insula -
   Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222797