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Thomas de la Haye of Lochorwart 7th Baron of Erroll
- Preferred Name: Thomas de la Haye of Lochorwart 7th Baron of Erroll[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]
- Gender: M
- Birth: 1342 in Inchetuthyle, Perthshire, Scotland at LATI: N6.5 LONG: E4
- LdsEndowment: 3 MAY 1933 with note: GEDCOM data
- Imprisoned: 1354 in England, United Kingdom at LATI: N2.4379 LONG: E1.6496
- Death: 14 JUL 1406 in Slains Castle, Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland at LATI: N7.537 LONG: E1.9959 with note: Fixed spelling error
Removed UK
- Burial: AFT 14 JUL 1406 in Perth, Perthshire, Scotland at LATI: N6.4 LONG: E3.4333 with note: Fixed spelling error
Removed UK
- LdsBaptism: 6 AUG 1932 in LOGAN with note: GEDCOM data
- Occupation: Lord High Constable of Scotland
- Occupation: Sheriff of Peeble
- Sealed+to+child+(LDS): 9 APR 1970 in SLAKE at LATI: N0.6256 LONG: E111.8756 with note: GEDCOM data
- LdsBaptism: 20 SEP 1932 with note: GEDCOM data
- FSID: KZF6-R8D
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
High Constable Scotland delaHaye Laird Hay7th Feudal Baron of Erroll
Sir Thomas de la Hay (c. 1342 – July 1406) was Lord High Constable of Scotland.
He was the third member of the Hay family to hold this post, his predecessor was David Hay.
He married Elizabeth Stewart, a daughter of King Robert II of Scotland, on 7 November 1372.
The Lord High Constable is a hereditary, now ceremonial, office of Scotland. In the order of precedence of Scotland, the office traditionally ranks above all titles except those of the Royal Family.[1] The Lord High Constable was, after the King of Scots, the supreme officer of the Scottish army. He also performed judicial functions as the chief judge of the High Court of Constabulary. From the late 13th Century the Court – presided over by the Lord High Constable or his deputies – was empowered to judge all cases of rioting, disorder, bloodshed and murder if such crimes occurred within four miles of the King, the King's Council, or the Parliament of Scotland. Following James VI's move to England, the jurisdiction of the Lord High Constable was defined in terms of the "resident place" appointed for the Council.
The Constable historically also commanded the Doorward Guard of Partisans, the oldest bodyguard in Britain.[1] The Constable also held several honorific privileges, such as the right to sit on the right side of the King when he attended Parliament, custody of the keys to Parliament House, the ceremonial command of the King's bodyguards, and precedence above all Scotsmen except the members of the Royal Family and the Lord Chancellor of Scotland. Most of the powers, however, disappeared when Scotland and England combined into Great Britain under the Act of Union 1707. The office, nonetheless, continues as a ceremonial one.
The office became hereditary in the 12th Century and was held by the Comyn family, but they ended up on the wrong side in the Wars of Scottish Independence. Since then it has been held by the Hays of Erroll, later Earls of Erroll. The first was Gilbert Hay, who was given the office by Robert the Bruce, followed by David Hay.
Sir Thomas
SIR THOMAS was one of the hostages for King David’s liberation, 3rd October, 1357, and seems to have been detained a good many years in England. In 1385 he received four hundred of the forty thousand
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=== Great constable of Scotland ===
Great constable of Scotland
=== 7th Lord of Erroll ===
7th Lord of Erroll
=== Sir Thomas Hay of Erroll, Constable of S ===
Sir Thomas Hay of Erroll, Constable of Scotland, who was one of the commissioners appointed to treat with the English for the release of King David II 1353, and was a hostage for his ransom 1354. He obliged himself to invest Sir John Fenton of Fenton in a twenty-mark land within the barony of Slains by a deed dated on the Vigil of Pentecost 1368. He officiated as Constable of Scotland at the coronation of King Robert II at Scone on 26 March 1371, and next day took the oaths of homage and fealty to His Majesty; and he was one of those who swore to the maintenance of the Act of Settlement of the Crown of Scotland 4 April following. He had a charter on his own resignation of three hundred pounds of land in the tenement of Slains in Aberdeenshire, which King Robert I had given to the deceased Gilbert de Haya and his heirs, dated 5 January 1376-77. He had all his lands erected into a free barony by charter dated at Dundee 30 June 1378. When the King of France sent 40,000 francs to be divided among the principal persons in Scotland, the Constable had for his share 400. He was served heir to his grandfather, Sir John Keith of Innerpeffer 19 January 1389-90; had a charter from King Robert III of the lands of Galbrydstain and the barony of Capet (Caputh), and died in July 1406. He married Elizabeth, third daughter of King Robert II and his first wife Elizabeth Mure, and had a charter to him and his spouse and the longest liver and their heirs of an annualrent of 18 merks stg., issuing to the King out of lands of Inchetuthyll in Perthshire, dated 7 November 1372. [The Scots Peerage III:561-562]
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=== TITLE: Knight ===
TITLE: Knight
=== Sir Thomas de Haya, of Locherworth, son ===
Sir Thomas de Haya, of Locherworth, son and heir of the last. As 'fils et heir Willialme del Hoy, seigneur de Lochiworth' he was one of the hostages for the liberation of David II specified in the Treaty of 13 July 1354, and under the designation of 'Thomas fiz and heir William de la Hay de Lochorward' was one of those hostages when that Treaty was concluded 3 October 1357, being given to the custody of Henry Strother, Sheriff of Northampton. He is mentioned as 'Thomas de Haye' as being in the custody of the Sheriff of Northampton 20 May 1362, and 20 June 1363, and would seem still to have been in custody 16 May 1369, when he got a safe-conduct from Edward III to go to Rome. He was back in Scotland before 1373, when he is mentioned as Sheriff of Peebles. He is the first of the name who appears as Sheriff of Peebles, an office which bacme hereditary to his family, and was enjoyed by them for three centuries till the second Earl of Tweeddale sold it, together with his whole estates in Tweeddale to william, Duke of Queensberry in 1686. Thomas de la Haya had a share of the 40,000 francs which John of Vienne, Admiral of France, brought with him in 1385, as a present from the French King to the principal Scottish nobles, 4000 livre3s Tournois being allotted as his share 26 November. At Dundee on 29 August 1392, Thomas de Haya, Lord of Lochorwart, granted a charter of the lands of Glasswell and Torburne in the barony of Kyrimure, co Forfar, to his cousin Walter de Moravia of Drumsargart. This charter was confirmed by William (of Douglas), Earl of Angus, 8 March 1422 , and by one under the Great Seal about 1488. He appears to have died shortly after 1392, and certainly before 1 December 1399, when his wife was living, a widow. Douglas says that he married Christian, sister of Cardinal Watler Wardlaw, Bishop of Glasgow, but if so, she must have been his first wife, and it is more probable that she was the wife of a son of his, as suggested below. He certainly married Joanna, eldest of four daughters and coheirs of Hugh Gifford of Yester, who, 1 December 1399, as 'Joanna Hay, Lady Yester, spouse of the deceased Sir Thomas Hay, of Louchquerwart,' confirmed to John Maitland the lands of Lethington originally granted to his grandfather Sir Robert Maitland by Hugh Gifford of Yester. She was still alive in January 1400-1. With her Sir Thomas acquired a fourth part of the lands and barony of Yester, Morham, and Duncanlaw, and the lands of Giffordsgate in Haddington, and henceforth Yester became the principal seat of the family, and finally their territorial designation, and in right of their descent from her they took and quartered the arms of Gifford. [The Scots Peerage VIII:421-423]
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=== m. Johanna Gifford; father of William Ha ===
m. Johanna Gifford; father of William Hay who m. Alicia Hay. [Eva K.Stamper Constable of Scotland; a hostage in England for the ransom ofKing David II in 1354; m. Elizabeth Stewart; father of Elizabeth Hay.[Magna Charta Sureties, p. 48] BURR LINE b. 1330, Locherworth; m.Janet/Johanna/Jean Gifford; father of William who m. Alice Hay. [GailMartin b. bef 1357, d. 1397; son of William de Hay; m. Janet JeanGifford; father of: 1. William who m. Alice de la Haye 2. dau who m.William de Borthwick [Eileen McKinnon-Suggs Son of William de Hay and ??Douglas; m. Janet Jean Gifford; father of: 1. William who m. Alice de laHaye 2. dau who m. William de Borthwick [Eileen McKinnon-Suggs Sir Thomasde Haya of Locherwort; born by 1357; Sheriff Peebles; married Janet/Jeanelder daughter and coheir of Hugh Gifford of Yester, Haddingtonshire,thus acquiring the castle and a quarter of the lands of Yester, and diedafter 1397. [Burke's Peerage] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106thEdition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999 Page: 2860 Text: calls itLocherwort, although page 318 calls it Lochorwart, and independentinternet sources indicate a castle of Lochorwart Sir Thomas Hay, 7thBaron of Erroll, brought royal blood into the family when he marriedElizabeth, daughter of Robert II. [Clans & Tartans, p. 124] Dau. m.William Borthwick. [Richard Hodgson Son of David de Haya; m. ElizabethStuart; father of: 1. Gilbert de la Haye 2. William Hay 3. Elizabeth dela Haye 4. Alice Hay [Marlene Wenrick Son of David Hay and ?? Keith; m.Elizabeth Stewart; father of: 1. William 2. Gilbert 3. Elizabeth 4. dau5. Alicia who m. William Hay [Eva K. Stamper Name Prefix: Sir. NameSuffix: Knight Name Prefix: Sir. Name Suffix: Knight REFN: HWS43229Ancestral File Number: 9GXB-CF OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\knight.gif NamePrefix: Sir. Name Suffix: Knight REFN: HWS43231 Ancestral File Number:9FVC-DG OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\knight.gif
Preferred Parents:
Father: David de la Haye - Sixth Lord of Erroll, b. 1318 in Slains Castle, Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland d. 17 OCT 1346 in Battle of Neville's Cross, Durham, England, United Kingdom
Mother: Margaret Keith - Countess Of Errol, b. 1320 in Crieff, Perthshire, Scotland d. 1410 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Family 1: Elizabeth Stewart - Princess of Scotland Baroness Hay of Erroll, b. 1346 in Dundonald Castle, Kyle, Ayrshire, Scotland d. 1389 in Kinnoul Castle, Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
- m. 23 NOV 1372 in Ayrshire, Scotland
- Alicia Alice Hay, b. 1382 in Kinnoul, Perthshire, Scotland d. 23 FEB 1447 in Yester Castle, Yester, Haddingtonshire, Scotland
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Author: “Sir Thomas de Haya, of Locherworth d. Aft 1397: MacFarlane Clan & Families Genealogy.” http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I14671&tree=CC. Accessed 12 Jul. 2019.
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Author: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley {1999}, Page number: 2860
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Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W62F-1YN2 : 9 September 2022), Thomas De La Haye of Errol, ; Burial, Errol, , Perth and Kinross, Scotland, Errol Parish Church Graveyard; citing record ID 200597751, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
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Note: MARJORY BRUCE, b. CIRCA 1297, DUNDONALD, KYLE AYRSHIRE,SCOTLAND, d. 2 Mar 1316, SCOTLAND, buried: 1316, ABBEY of PAISLEY, SCOTLAND. Margery was the daughter of Robert I "the Bruce" King of Scotland from his marriage to Isabella of Mar. Margery married Sir Walter Stewart who was a young knight and sixth family holder of the High Steward of Scotland. This marriage produced a son Robert Stewart who was to later become Robert II, King of Scotland (1371-90). Robert's birth was considered something of a miracle since he was delivered by caesarian section from his mother's body who died after a fall from her horse. (source:Kings and Queens of Scotland).
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Author: Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; GE Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, Page number: VI:421a
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- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Thomas de Haya -
Author: The Scots Peerage; Sir James Balfour Paul {1904-1914, 2000 rev} with Addenda et Corrigenda {2000}, Page number: VIII:421-423
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