Alexander Alan Lord Seton de Wyntoun

• Preferred Name: Alexander Alan Lord Seton de Wyntoun
  
• Gender: M
  
• Title (Nobility): in Seton, East Lothian, Scotland at LATI: N5.9623 LONG: E2.9393 with note: Description: Lord of Seton
  
• Birth: ABT 1315 in Wintoun Castle, Pencaitland, East Lothian, Scotland at LATI: N5.9 LONG: E2.8833 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Alt. Birth: 1300 in East Lothian, Scotland at LATI: N5.9167 LONG: E2.75
  
• Death: 1347 in Jerusalem, Palestine. at LATI: N1.7833 LONG: E5.2333 with note: No Israel in 1347!
  
• Burial: 1347
  
• Alt. Death: 1434 in Seton Castle, East Lothian, Scotland at LATI: N5.9623 LONG: E2.9393
  
• Alt. Death: 26 AUG 1434 in East Lothian, Scotland at LATI: N5.9167 LONG: E2.75
  
• FSID: with note: Description: LC3L-759
  
• Source: with note: Description: Wikitree
  
• Alt. Birth: 1291 in Wintoun Castle, East Lothian, Scotland at LATI: N5.9167 LONG: E2.75
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  Alan de Wyntoun
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  Alan de Wyntoun (died c.1347) was a Scottish soldier and crusader.
  
  Contents
  1 Life
  2 Marriage and issue
  3 Citations
  4 References
  Life
  Wyntoun was the son of Alan de Winton and Margaret de Bothwell. Alan abducted Margaret de Seton for the purposes of forcing her to marry him. The abduction was not popular and caused what is known as "Wyntoun's war".[1] Upon the entering into the Order of Knights of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem, of his father-in-law, Alan became known as Lord of Seton, jure uxoris of his wife. He took up the cross in 1347 and died while on his way.
  
  Marriage and issue
  Alan married Margaret, daughter and heiress of Alexander de Seton and Christian le Cheyne, they are known to have had the following issue, who adopted the Seton arms and name:
  
  William Seton, 1st Lord Seton, married Janet Fleming had issue.
  Christina Seton, married George Dunbar, 10th Earl of March had issue.
  Citations
  Fordun 1447, p. 337.
  Burke 1865, p. 991.
  References
  Fordun: Scotichronicon; Vol. II (1447).
  Burke, Bernard (1865). Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage and Baronetage of the British Empire (27 ed.). Harrison and Sons.
  Categories: 1347 deaths14th-century Scottish peopleMedieval Scottish knights
  
  This page was last edited on 27 July 2019, at 11:08 (UTC).
  George de Dunbar, 10th Earl of Dunbar and March (1338–1420), 12th Lord of Annandale and Lord of the Isle of Man, was "one of the most powerful nobles in Scotland of his time, and the rival of the Douglases."
  
  His birthplace, this castle
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=57&v=0Mjc0LN9zDw
  
  Alan de Wyntoun (1291-1347)
  Alan de Wyntoun (died c.1347) was a Scottish soldier and crusader.
  
  Life
  
  Wyntoun was the son of Alan de Winton and Margaret de Bothwell. Alan abducted Margaret de Seton for the purposes of forcing he
  
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  === Found this on wyntoun's war - the war he started by abducting his wife ===
  https://prairierosepublications.blogspot.com/2021/09/wyntouns-war-or-rough-wooing-of-my-19th.html
  
  === Family relationships ===
  Alexander Seton was the second son of Sir William Seton of Seton and his wife, Janet Fleming
  
  A manuscript in the British Museum styles Sir William Seaton as "Wilhelmus primus dominus Seton" and other documents confirm this title. The date of this creation of the premier baronage of Scotland, is dated to sometime before 1393.
  
  A singular mistake in this record has Sir William Seaton marrying Catherine, daughter of Sir William St. Clair of Herdmanston. The Complete Peerage [vol. vi, p. 1, footnote (a)] corrects this to Janet Fleming, daughter of Sir David Fleming of Gibbar & Cumbernauld. They had two sons, John, who succeeded his father—it was he who married Catherine Sinclair (St. Clair)—and Alexander who married Elizabeth Gordon, heiress of Gordon. The Gordons were originally from Normandy, the founder of the family coming to Scotland in the twelfth century, probably in the train of David I of Scotland, and received a grant of the lands of Gordon in Berkshire. See: Robert Seton, An Old Family: or, The Setons of Scotland and America (New York: Brentano's, 1899), pp. 49-50; Scots Peerage, VIII, 574 & n. 1.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Seton,_Lord_Gordon
  
  George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage; or, a History of the House of Lords and all its members from the earliest times, Vol. VI, eds. H. A. Doubleday & Howard de Walden (London: The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., 1926), pp. 1, 675
  
  === Family Reltionships ===
  Alexander Seton was the second son of Sir William Seton of Seton and his wife, Janet Fleming
  
  A manuscript in the British Museum styles Sir William Seaton as "Wilhelmus primus dominus Seton" and other documents confirm this title. The date of this creation of the premier baronage of Scotland, is dated to sometime before 1393.
  
  A singular mistake in this record has Sir William Seaton marrying Catherine, daughter of Sir William St. Clair of Herdmanston. The Complete Peerage [vol. vi, p. 1, footnote (a)] corrects this to Janet Fleming, daughter of Sir David Fleming of Gibbar & Cumbernauld. They had two sons, John, who succeeded his father—it was he who married Catherine Sinclair (St. Clair)—and Alexander who married Elizabeth Gordon, heiress of Gordon. The Gordons were originally from Normandy, the founder of the family coming to Scotland in the twelfth century, probably in the train of David I of Scotland, and received a grant of the lands of Gordon in Berkshire. See: Robert Seton, An Old Family: or, The Setons of Scotland and America (New York: Brentano's, 1899), pp. 49-50; Scots Peerage, VIII, 574 & n. 1.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Seton,_Lord_Gordon
  
  George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage; or, a History of the House of Lords and all its members from the earliest times, Vol. VI, eds. H. A. Doubleday & Howard de Walden (London: The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., 1926), pp. 1, 675
  
  === FIRST SON AND HEIR TO JOHN, 2ND LORD SET ===
  FIRST SON AND HEIR TO JOHN, 2ND LORD SETON; BUT DIED WHILE ACCOMPANYING THE SCOTCH AUXILIARIES TO THE AID OF THE FRENCH; SLAIN AT BATTLE OF VERNEIL.
  
  === ALAN DE WINTON ASSUMED THE NAME OF SETON ===
  ALAN DE WINTON ASSUMED THE NAME OF SETON, TO CARRY ON SETON NAME. THEREFORE, ALL THE REST OF SETON'S ARE ACTUALLY WINTON'S, BUT CARRIED NAME SETON.
  
  === He is said to have visited Jerusalem and ===
  He is said to have visited Jerusalem and is named as "Lord Seton" in the roll of those present at Scone he Coronation of Robert II, 26 Mar 1371.
  
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  === Nickname: Allen de Wyntown, Said ===
  Nickname: Allen de Wyntown, Said to have been his wife's cousin
  
  === William de Setoun, son and heir of John ===
  William de Setoun, son and heir of John de Setoun, lord of that Ilk, was witness to a charter granted 2 December 1423 by Archibald, Earl of Wigtoun, which was confirmed by King James I 8 January 1424-25. He seems to have been knighted. He is described as of lofty stature and powerful build, as were also his father and grandfather. He was killed vita patris at the battle of Verneuil, fighting on the side of the French against the English, 17 August 1424.
  
  He married a lady whose Christian name was Janet. It seems possible that she may have been a daughter of George, tenth Earl of Dunbar, and third (or fifth) Earl of March. She seems to have been married, secondly, after 1433, to Adam Johnston of that Ilk. [The Scots Peerage VIII:574-575]
  
  === Name Prefix: Sir
  Name Suffix: Name Prefix: Sir
  Name Suffix: Lord Seton
  
  === William de Seton is designed Lord of tha ===
  William de Seton is designed Lord of that Ilk and of Tranent in a charter whereby he granted the lands of Wester Fausyde to John de Fausyde, his esquire. He seems to have granted certain lands in Longniddrie to John Maitland and John de Paynston by charter confirmed by King Robert II 18 January 1380-81. He was a distinguished soldier, and like his father he took part in the holy war, it is said before 1383; he seems to have served with the Scottish force which raided the north of England in that year. He styled himself 'Baron, lord of Seton' in a petition to the Pope which was granted 27 October 1394, but is designed Knight in a charter of the lands of Borde granted by him in favour of Patrick Fleming, dated 14 May 1402. It would seem that he was taken prisoner by the English at the battle of Homildon Hill 14 September 1402, and he may perhaps have remained unransomed for some years, as one William Seton was in captivity in the Tower along with the King of Scotland's son in 1406. A charter of confirmation was granted at Perth, 27 March 1408, by Robert, Duke of Albany, Governor of the Kingdom, ratifying the grant of an annualrent made by William de Seton, Knight, with consent of the Duke's beloved cousin, John de Seton, Knight, his son and heir, to Walter de Haliburton of Dirleton, in consideration of the transfer to the said William of the gift of the ward and marriage of Elizabeth de Gordon, daughter and heir of the deceased Adam Gordon, Knight. Sir William died before March 1409-10, and was buried 'in the Cordelere (Franciscan) freiris at Haddington' to which community he had made certain benefactions.
  
  Maitland states that this William 'was the first creatit and maid Lord in the parliament; and he and his posterite to have ane voce thairin and be callit Lordis.' Various arguments have been adduced in support of this assertion; but the data founded upon are in part erroneous, the arguments are inconclusive, and the claim cannot be admitted.
  
  There is some indication that Sir William was twice married; if so, the name of his first wife is unkonw, but Jonet Fleming, elder daughter of David Fleming of Biggar, was the mother of his second son. [The Scots Peerage VIII:571-572]
  
  === !Name,Title,Byr,parents,Spouse,children- ===
  !Name,Title,Byr,parents,Spouse,children-Ancestry.com 2002
  
  === Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
  Seventeenth Great Grandfather :
  Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
  
  === m. Margaret Seton; father of: 1. William ===
  m. Margaret Seton; father of: 1. William Seton who m. Janet Flemins 2.Christina de Wyntown [Darlene Chatfield BURR LINE Said to have been hiswife's cousin; m. Margaret Seton; father of Sir William de Seton who m.Janet Fleming. [K. Williams
  
  === Thought to have been a kinsman of his wi ===
  Thought to have been a kinsman of his wife.
  
  === Sir John Seton (or De Seton), the eldest ===
  Sir John Seton (or De Seton), the eldest son, was in 1407 a hostage in the hands of the English for the return to captivity of Archibald, fourth Earl of Douglas. He is described by Bower as 'miles acerrimus, et Anglis, dum vixerat, infestus.' On 24 March 1410-11 he had from Robert, Duke of Albany, Governor of Scotland, a charter of confirmation of the baronies of Seton and Tranent, and the lands of Winchburgh. He was one of the Scottish Commissioners appointed to treat for the liberation of King James I, and he, or alternatively his son and heir, was afterwards nominated a hostage for the payment of the King's ransom, by the treaty of 4 December 1423. His annual income was then estimated at six hundred merks. He was appointed one of the conservators of the seven years' truce concluded 28 March 1424. He died before 1434, as Seton was in ward that year.
  
  He married, before 8 March 1392-93, Catherine de Sanct Clar, said to have been the daughter of Sir William Sinclair of Herdmanston. She survived her husband, and on 28 March 1450 had confirmation of a charter granted in her favour on 20 June 1449, by George, Lord of Seton and Langniddrie, Knight, grandson of her late husband. [The Scots Peerage VIII:573-574]
  
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  === Son of Allen de Wyntown and Margaret Set ===
  Son of Allen de Wyntown and Margaret Seton; m. Janet Fleming; father of:1. Alexander who m. Elizabeth Gordon 2. John 3. Janet [Darlene ChatfieldJohn - Prisoner after Homildon Hill; son of Sir William Seton of Setonand Catherine Sinclair; m. Janet Dunbar; father of George I Lord Setonwho m. Margaret Stewart. [Diane Evans BURR LINE Son of Alan de Seton andMargaret Seton; m. Janet Fleming; father of: 1. Marion who m. JohnOgilvey 2. John who m. Catherine de St. Clair 3. Alexander who m.Elizabeth Gordon [Bob Furtaw Son of Alan de Wyntoun and Margaret deSeton; m. Janet Fleming; father of: 1. John who m. Katherine Sinclair 2.Alexander who m. Elizabeth Gordon 3. Janet who m. George Dunbar 4. Annawho m. John Hamilton [Alan Freer William - son of John Seton andCatherine de St. Clair; m. Janet Dunbar; d. 17 Aug 1424 in Verneuil;father of Catherine who m. Alan Stewart of Darnley and Herbert Maxwell.[Alex Nieuwland Name Prefix: Sir. Name Suffix: Baron REFN: HWS43168Ancestral File Number: 8J5M-46 OBJE: C:\Legacy\Pictures\C_baron1.GIF(Research):Seeattached sources.
  
  === L.D.S. Pedigree Resource Disc 21 ===
  L.D.S. Pedigree Resource Disc 21
  
  === Maitland (1561/1830) describes "Lord Jo ===
  Maitland (1561/1830) describes "Lord John Seton" as "a noble man, Master of the Household to King James I."
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === Father of Catherine who m. Alan Stewart ===
  Father of Catherine who m. Alan Stewart of Derneley. [Sarah Melton (neeCouch) BURR LINE m. Catherine Sinclair; father of Catherine who m. AlanStewart. [Brian Wilson Son of Sir John Seton; m. Janet Dunbar of March;father of: 1. George 1st Lord Seton 2. Janet who m. John Lord Haliburton3. Catherine who m. Sir Alan Stewart of Darnley [Hamish Maclaren Fatherof Christian Seton. [Magna Charta Sureties, p. 49] Son of William Setonand Janet Fleming. [Darlene Chatfield Name Prefix: Sir. Name Suffix:Knight REFN: HWS92179 Ancestral File Number: HRG5-BX OBJE:C:\Legacy\Pictures\knight.gif

1. William Seton 1st Lord Seton, b. 1360 in Seton, Haddingtonshire, Scotland     d. 17 AUG 1424 in Verneuil-sur-Avre, Eure, Normandy, France