Margaret De Holland

• Preferred Name: Margaret De Holland^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}
  
• Gender: F
  
• Alt. Death: AFT 1324 in Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.8185 LONG: E2.6257
  
• Birth: in Upholland, Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.5421 LONG: E2.7305
  
• Burial: AFT 22 AUG 1349 in Preston, Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.7634 LONG: E2.703
  
• Death: 22 AUG 1349 in Wickwar, Gloucestershire, England at LATI: N1.595 LONG: E2.398
  
• FSID: 9Z8S-V19
  
• Alt. Birth: ABT 1259 in Upholland, Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.5421 LONG: E2.7305
  
• Notes:

  === b.MARGARET DE HOLAND, d. 20 or 22 Aug. 1 ===
  b.MARGARET DE HOLAND, d. 20 or 22 Aug. 1349, m. by 1326 John la Warre, d. shortly bef. 24 June 1331, son of Sir John la Warre, 2nd Baron la Warre by his wife, JOAN DE GRELLE (99-31). ["60 Colonists" line 47B-31.]
  
  === == Biography == ===
  == Biography ==
  Her first husband was John de Blackburn, by whom she had a daughter Alicia (who married Robert de Sherburne).
  
  At some time after 1304, she married Sir Adam Banastre.
  Sir Adam Banastre [married] Margaret de Holand, sister of Sir Robert de Holand of Upholland, co. Lancaster, and widow of Sir John Blackburn.[Ancestral Roots, line 34-32]
  
  == Sources ==
  * http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I04348 - accessed 19 Aug 2016
  
  * http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ss4as/sherburne1.htm
  
  === Sir Adam Banastre [married] Margaret de ===
  Sir Adam Banastre [married] Margaret de Holand, sister of Sir Robert de Holand of Upholland, co. Lancaster, and widow of Sir John Blackburn. [Ancestral Roots, line 34-32]
  
  Note: I originally had Margaret as daughter of Robert de Holand & Elizabeth Salmesbury, being sister of Robert 1st Lord Holand of Upholland. However I now have her as sister of the Robert who married Elizabeth Salmesbury, and daughter of
  Thurstan de Holand. She could still be an early child of Robert de Holand, or a late child of Thurstan, but I am now leaning to Thurstan. Note that the "The Lancashire Hollands" below indicates she is daughter of Thurstan.
  
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  The following was researched by Douglas Hickling, [dhhic@comcast.net]
  
  Now, I continue with VCH Lancaster v. 5. At pp. 245-246, the article says that : "Shortly after 1287, but by what title is unknown, the manor [of Bolton] was held by Margaret, sister of Sir Robert de Holland, and on her death divided among her
  four daughters and heirs. [footnote deleted] The eldest, Alice, married Sir Robert de Shireburne, and the fourth part assigned to her descended with the Shireburne estates. [footnote deleted]
  
  The foregoing information is more or less repeated in VCH Lancaster v.6. At p. 131, the article notes that Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, gave the manors of Chorley and Bolton to Robert de Hepwall and Margaret [de Holland] in consideration of
  Robert's praiseworthy services. Margaret was either the intended recipient of these manors or later acquired them. "She was sister of Robert de Holland, and thrice married. By her first husband, Sir John de Blackburn of Wiswell, she had three
  daughters; by her second, the above-named Robert de Hepwall, who died in 1304, he had a son John, who probably died young. The third husband was the Adam Banastre executed in 1315; by Hepwall or Banastre she had another daughter. [citations
  deleted throughout]
  
  VCH Lancaster v. 7 may show a primary source showing the marriage between Sir John Tempest and Katherine Sherburne. At p. 2, the article begins the history of Aighton in Mitton. On p. 2, the article says that Margaret Haphale, afterward
  Banastre, gained control of Aighton. "After Margaret's death her manors were divided among her daughters--Alice wife of Robert de Shireburne," and the others being named. Beginning at p.3, the article describes the subsequent involvement of the
  Sherburnes:
  
  - - - -
  
  And in a later clarifying the 1287 date above:
  
  I really do not think that we can date Margaret de Holand's marriage to John Blackburn back to around 1280. VCH Lancaster 6:131 says that Henry de Lacy granted Chorley and Bolton to Margaret and her then husband Robert de Hepwall after he
  acquired them from Richard de Lothburgh who did not himself obtain these manors from William de Ferrers until 1297, not 1287. Since Margaret had had only one son and possibly a daughter from this husband by the time he died in 1304, it is
  likely that she and Hepwall were not married until 1297 or so. Although the earlier volume VCH Lancaster 5:245 refers to Margaret having "shortly after 1287, by what title is unknown, the manor" of Bolton, this appears to be an editing error
  corrected in volume 6, as William de Ferrers still owned Chorley and Bolton as late as 1297. If Margaret had married Sir John de Blackburn before 1290, she would probably have been survived by more than three children upon her first husband's
  death. It still seems to me that Margaret's birth year was still around 1270, the same date that CP proposes for the lst Lord de Holand. It is rather chastening to realize how such a simple editing error, if that it be, can create havoc in
  establishing family lines.
  
  - - - -
  
  And later on Douglas Hickling found:
  
  THE LANCASHIRE HOLLANDS, by Bernard H. Holland, turned out not to be a scholarly work and with very few citations. I noted that there was a section on sources at the end of the book and it had entries like "Visitation Pedigrees of the Holland
  Family" without any indication as to where these pedigrees might be found. As is so often the case, the book generally omits daughters. I did notice that Margaret de Holand who married Sir John Blackburn and Sir Adam Banestre, was a sister of
  the Sir Robert de Holand who married Elizabeth Samlesbury while I think it generally agreed that that Margaret de Holand was a daughter of Sir Robert and Elizabeth.
  
  Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
  
  Page: 34-32
  
  Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
  
  Page: 1747
  
  *Forrest=fathers direct line,! dna connections
  @Stolp=mothers direct line
  +Tamer=husbands direct line
  #Wallace & ^Stuetelberg=son-in-laws direct lines
  all lines separated.With multiple marks cross over lines
  without documentations all is speculative/with ???
  
  === Sources and info for Margaret... ===
  The Derby Household Books, Notes on p. 152 (Remains, Historical and Literary, Connected with the Palatine Counties of Lancaster and Chester, Vol. XXXI ), the author, William Ffarington, mentions that he came to a different conclusion than Mr. Hulton's conclusion in the Whalley Cartulary, Vol. IV, pp 978-979 (Remains, Historical and Literary, Connected with the Palatine Counties of Lancaster and Chester, Vol. XX ) about the Pedigree of Margaret de Holland called the "sister of Sir Robert de Holland" in the Whalley Cartulary. He says his pedigree is the result of his pedigree comes from examination of all the Holland pedigrees and other evidences. The pedigree follows:
  
  Robert de Holland
  |
  Thurstan de Holand = Daughter and heiress of Adam de Kellet
  |
  Sir Robert de Holland = Elizabeth, daughter of William de Samlesbury
  |
  Margaret de Holland = Sir John de Blakeburne, Lord of Wiswall.
  
  Sir Robert de Holand, who was behead is given as the brother of Margaret, wife of Sir John de Blackburne. 977,978
  
  bullet Information about this person:
  
  • Background Information: Margaret was living 10 Sep 1324. 828
  "Ellen de Torbock, inq. a. q. d.
  "[18 Edw. II, No. 51.]
  
  "WRIT dated at Westminster, 3 May 17th year (1324), directed to John de Lancastre and William de Tatham.
  
  "Inquest taken at Penwortham, before William de Tatham and John Lancastre, on Monday next after the feast of the nativity of B.V.M., 18 Edward II (10 Sep 1324), by the oath of Adam de Chernok, Alan de Meys, Robert de Heskyn, Thomas de Adlinton, william son of Robert de Worthington, William de Hoghwik, Adam de Hoghwik, Roger le Despencer, Thomas de Notesch(aw), John Busshell, John de Clayton, and William le Despencer, who say that Ellen de Torbok holds tenements in Whalshequithull [Welch Whittle] of the lord of Leylondeschire, that is to say, dame Margaret Banastre, formerly the wife of Adam Banastre, and the said Margaret hold them of the king in chief; Ellen owes no suit at the king's court of Penwortham for the tenements, because in the time of Henry de Lascy, late earl of Lyncoln, while he was lord of the fee of Penwortham, his then steward compelled Ellen to do suit at the court of Penwortham, and Ellen made fine with the steward to be respited from it by half a mark one year and 5s in another, at the will of the steward; and whilst Thomas, earl of Lancaster, was lord of the fee of Penwortham, as of the right of Alice his wife, his steward made coercion and Ellen made fine as aforesaid; the earls were seised of the suit in no manner."
  
  ~Lancashire Inquests, Extents, and Feudal Aids, Part II, A.D. 1310 - A.D. 1333
  
  • Background Information. 977
  Margaret was the daughter of Sir Robert de Holand, also called the "sister of Sir Robert de Holand" in the text of the Whalley Cartulary. She married Sir John de Blackburne, Lord of Wiswall, Lanchashire. They had three daughters who were coheiresses of both of their father and mother. Margaret survived her first husband and married Sir Adam Banister (who was beheaded 9 Edward II), by whom she had a daughter, Katherine, sole heiress of her father, and fourth daughter and coheiress of her mother. This Katherine Banister, who was the nurse to Phillippa, Queen of Edward III, married Sir John de Harrington of Farleton.
  
  ~ The Derby Household Books, p. 152
  
  Margaret married Sir John de Blackburne Knight, son of Adam de Blackburne and Alicia, before 1290 738,772,827.,977 (Sir John de Blackburne Knight was born in Wiswall, Whalley, Lancashire, England and died in Blackburn, Lancashire, England.)
  
  Margaret next married Sir Adam Banastre Knight, son of Thomas Banastre and Joan de Singleton.977 (Sir Adam Banastre Knight was born in 1285 in Bretherton, Chorley, Lancashire, England and died in 1314-1315 in Beheaded in Duxbury, England 160.)
  
  === pg 40, "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonis ===
  pg 40, "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, etc" by Frederick Lewis Weiss, 6th Edition

• m. ABT 1308 in Foremark, Derbyshire, England

1. Matilda Margaret Beaufoy, b. 1304 in Foremark, Derbyshire, England     d. 1364 in Derbyshire, England

• m. 1306 in Bretherton, Lancashire, England

1. Katharine Banastre, b. ABT 1307 in Farleton, Lancashire, England     d. 7 AUG 1359 in Lancashire, England

1. Title: Book - The Lancashire Hollands
   
2. Title: Cybergata - Book - remains, Historical & Literary, connected with the Palatine counties of Lancashire & Cheshire "Derby Household Books"
   
3. Title: Medieval English Geneaology : Tempest wives & Daughters in the late Medieval Period
   
4. Title: British History Online
   
5. Title: Banastre, Sir Adam I of Bank Hall, Bretherton / Holand, Lady Margaret de (F147491)
   
6. Title: Margaret de Holland (1260-1324), The Peerage
   Author: https://www.thepeerage.com/p65773.htm#i657726
   Publication: Name: https://www.thepeerage.com/p65773.htm#i657726;
   Note: Margaret de Holland was born circa 1260. She was the daughter of Sir Thurstan de Holland and Margaret de Kellet. She married Sir Adam Banastre in 1304. She died in 1324. From 1304, her married name became Banastre. Child of Margaret de Holland and Sir Adam Banastre: Katharine Banastre+ d. 1359
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