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John de Grey
- Preferred Name: John de Grey[1] [2] [3]
- Gender: M
- FSID: G36Q-V34
- Death: 5 JAN 1272 in Broxmouth, Roxburghshire, Scotland at LATI: N5.4667 LONG: E2.7833
- Burial: 1272 in Codnor, Derbyshire, England at LATI: N3.0428 LONG: E1.3749
- Birth: 1225 in Codnor, Derbyshire, England at LATI: N3.0428 LONG: E1.3749
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
JOHN de Grey, son of RICHARD de Grey of Codnor & his wife Lucy de Humez (-before 5 Jan 1272). Inquisitions following a writ dated 5 Jan "56 Hen III", after the death of "John de Grey alias le Grey", name “Henry his son age 14...15...17...is his next heir”, and name “Joan daughter of the said John aged 16” in connection with Barton, Yorkshire[468].
m LUCY de Mohun, daughter of REYNOLD de Mohun of Dunster, Somerset & his [second wife Isabel de Ferrers of the Earls of Derby].
John & his wife had two children:
1. HENRY de Grey of Codnor, Derbyshire, Grays Thurrock, Essex, and Aylesford and Hoo, Kent ([1254/58]-Sep 1308). Inquisitions following a writ dated 5 Jan "56 Hen III", after the death of "John de Grey alias le Grey", name “Henry his son age 14...15...17...is his next heir”[469]. He was summoned to Parliament in 1299 whereby he is held to have become Lord Grey (of Codnor). m firstly [ELEANOR, daughter of HUGH de Courtenay & his wife Eleanor Le Despencer] (-before 6 Jun 1301). According to the Complete Peerage, the wife of Henry de Grey was “said to have m 1stly Eleanor daughter of Hugh de Courtenay”[470]. The same work suggests that “if this is correct” her father was Hugh who married Eleanor le Despencer. However, this does not appear to be an ideal fit from a chronological point of view, assuming that Hugh le Despencer is identified as the Hugh who was killed at the battle of Evesham in 1265. The Complete Peerage records that this Hugh le Despencer married “in or before 1260” Aline Basset, their son Hugh le Despencer being born 1 Mar 1261[471]. This would fit approximately with the estimated birth date of Hugh de Courtenay, son of Hugh de Courtenay and Eleanor, in [1275]. However, the wife of Henry de Grey would presumably have been born in the early 1260s, assuming that her marriage is correctly estimated to before [1281/82]. If that last date is correct, Eleanor, wife of Henry, would more likely have been born in the previous Courtenay generation. The problem is that a “Hugh de Courtenay” has not yet been identified in that earlier generation. m secondly (before 6 Jun 1301) as her second husband, JOAN, widow of RALPH de Cromwell, daughter of ---. Henry & his first wife had children:
a) RICHARD de Grey ([1281/82]-before 10 Mar 1335). Lord Grey (of Codnor). m JOAN FitzPayn, daughter of ROBERT FitzPayn Lord FitzPayn & his wife Isabel de Clifford (-after Mar 1335). Richard & his wife had children:
i) JOHN de Grey (-14 Dec 1392, bur Aylesford Kent). Lord Grey (of Codnor). m firstly (before 4 Sep 1325) ELEANOR de Courtenay, daughter of HUGH de Courtenay [later Earl of Devon] & his wife Agnes de St John (-before 20 Oct 1330). The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Forde Abbey names (in order) “Elianoram…et Elizabetham” as the two daughters of ”dominus Hugo secundus” & his wife, adding that Eleanor married “Johanni de Gray” but died childless[472]. m secondly (before 20 Oct 1330) ALICE de Lisle, daughter of WARIN de Lisle of Kingston-Lisle & his wife Alice de Tyes. John & his second wife had children:
(1) HENRY de Grey (-after 1371). m JOAN de Cobham, daughter of REGINALD de Cobham Lord Cobham (of Sterborough) & his wife Joan de Berkeley. The will of "Joan de Cobham of Starburghe", dated 13 Aug 1369, chose burial “in the churchyard of St Mary Overhere in Southwark”, bequeathed property to “Henry Grey and Dame Joan his wife and to that Joane my daughter, to Joane daughter to that Joane” and a conditional bequest to “Reginald my son” relating to property “sold...to my husband in the presence of the Lord Berkley my father”[473]. Henry & his wife had children:
(a) RICHARD Grey ([1371]-1 Aug 1418, bur Aylesford). Lord Grey (of Codnor).
- see below.
2. JOAN de Grey ([1255/56]-). Inquisitions following a writ dated 5 Jan "56 Hen III", after the death of "John de Grey alias le Grey", name “Joan daughter of the said John aged 16” in connection with Barton, Yorkshire[474].
=== !#21> Complete Peerage-v6-p123,135note,G ===
!#21> Complete Peerage-v6-p123,135note,Grey ped, (FHL 942 D22cok); !KIN> s & h;
Preferred Parents:
Father: Richard de Grey, b. 1195 in Greys Thurrock, Essex, England d. 8 SEP 1271 in Codnor, Derbyshire, England
Mother: Lucia de Humet, b. 1202 in Sheringham, Norfolk, England d. 1282 in Codnor, Derbyshire, England
Family 1: Lucy de Mohun, b. 1227 in England, United Kingdom d. 1272 in England, United Kingdom
- Henry de Grey 1st Baron, b. 1256 in Codnor, Basford, Derbyshire, England d. 1 SEP 1308 in Aylesford, Kent, England
- Andrew De Gray, b. 1253 in Broxmouth, Haddingtonshire, Scotland d. 1300 in Roxburghshire, Scotland
Sources:
- Title: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Publication: Name: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#_Toc21426560;
- Title: John (Grey) de Gray on WikiTree
Author: WikiTree contributors, "John (Grey) de Gray", WikiTree, http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Grey-546 (accessed 25 May 2022)
Publication: Name: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Grey-546;
- Title: John de Grey, "Find A Grave Index"
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DN-C2G3 : 1 August 2020), John de Grey, ; Burial, Codnor, Amber Valley Borough, Derbyshire, England, Crosshill Cemetery; citing record ID 171958445, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DN-C2G3;
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