Joan de Foliot

• Preferred Name: Joan de Foliot^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]}
  
• Alternate Name: Joan Follyet
  
• Alternate Name: Jane De Foliot
  
• Alternate Name: Joan De Follyet
  
• Alternate Name: De Vere
  
• Alternate Name: Jane Folliot
  
• Alternate Name: Joan Foliot
  
• Gender: F
  
• Death: ABT 1339 in Oxford, Oxfordshire, England at LATI: N1.7504 LONG: E1.2601 with note: Standardized. The United Kingdom didn't exist before 1801. Oxford Castle
  
• FSID: LHP7-3TN
  
• Burial: in St Albans, Hertfordshire, England at LATI: N1.7521 LONG: E0.3395 with note: Find a grave #110515901 Standardized. The United Kingdom didn't exist before 1801.
  
• Birth: ABT 1282 in Gressenhall, Norfolk, England at LATI: N2.6992 LONG: E0.9022
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/YF-9dL6k6HE/m/Unc9AKW9U40J
  ***SEE Memories for complete posting***
  
  Jane/Joan de Foliot's father is Sir Jordan, per D. Richardson:
  
  Complete Peerage Addition: Joan Foliot, wife of Sir Alphonse de Vere
  Douglas Richardson
  Dear Newsgroup ~
  Complete Peerage 10 (1945): 222 (sub Oxford), footnote a, gives a good account of the life of Sir Alphonse de Vere, of Great Hormead, Hertfordshire (died 1328). The editor indicates that Leland, Itinerary, ed. by Smith, states that his wife was Joan, daughter of Sir Richard Foliot, "but no proof has been found of this."
  Actually there is additional evidence of Sir Alphonse's wife's identity. The 1563/4 Visitation of Yorkshire gives the following information:
  "Sir Alphonso de Vere Erl of Oxford maryed = Jone doughter of ....Follyot." [Reference: H.S.P. 16 (1881): 227 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire) (Nevil pedigree)].
  This confirms that Sir Alphonse's wife was named Joan Foliot, but leaves her parentage unidentified.
  John Ravilious' account of the Foliot family provided below indicates that the manor of Cowesby, Yorkshire was held in 1282 by Sir Jordan Foliot, 1st Lord Foliot (died 1299). Complete Peerage 5 (1926): 538-540 (sub Foliot) indicates that Sir Jordan Foliot earlier inherited Cowesby, Yorkshire from his maternal uncle, Sir Robert de Stuteville.
  My own research indicates that by 1316, Cowesby, Yorkshire had passed to Sir Alphonse de Vere [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 175]. Likewise, I find that in 1324, Sir Alphonse de Vere presented to the church of Cowesby, Yorkshire as its patron [Reference: R.M.T. Hill, Register of William Melton Archbishop of York, 1 (Canterbury & York Soc. 70) (1977): 129]. I presume Sir Alphonse de Vere had Cowesby, Yorkshire in marriage with his wife, Joan, who chronologically would fit to be a daughter of Sir Jordan Foliot. Sir Alphonse and Joan were evidently married before 1312 (date of birth of their son, John de Vere, later 7th Earl of Oxford).
  In an earlier post dated August 4, 2002, I discussed the evidence that Sir Alphonse de Vere and his wife, Joan Foliot, were the parents of Margery de Vere, wife of Sir Maurice de Berkeley, of Uley, Gloucestershire. Margery and Maurice were married by papal dispensation dated 1331, they being related in the 4th degree of kindred, evidently by common descent from the Zouche family. The given name, Margery, was presumably bestowed on Sir Alphonse de Vere's daughter in honor of his wife's mother, Margery (de Newmarch) Foliot.
  Sir Alphonse de Vere's wife, Joan Foliot, possesses many royal lines, the best one being through Joan's maternal grandmother, Elizabeth (or Isabel) de Mowbray, whose own grandmother, Bertha de Ferrers, is a descendant of King Henry I of England. For Bertha de Ferrers' parentage, see my post in the newsgroup archives dated 25 June 2000.
  I wish to thank John Ravilious for his helpful input on this post.
  Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
  E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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  ACCOUNT OF THE FOLIOT FAMILY PROVIDED BY JOHN RAVILIOUS
  1 Sir Jordan Foliot
  ----------------------------------------
  Birth: bef 2 May 1249[1]
  Death: bef 2 May 1299[1]
  Occ: Lord Foliot
  Father: Sir Richard Foliot (>1214-1299)
  Mother: Margery de Stuteville
  knight, of Gressenhall, Elsing, East Lexham and Weasenham, Norfolk; Norton, Fenwick, Moseley and Cowesby, co. York, Grimston and Wellow, Notts.
  'entered upon the lands' of his uncle Robert de Stuteville following his death; ejected by Philip de Wylheby, escheator, 'as if the said Robert had held from the king in chief, and detained same from him, as was said unjustly (minus juste).' Writ dated Tydeswell, 20 Aug. 3 Edw. I [1275] to Philip de Wileby, Escheator beyond Trent, 'to make inquisition, whether the said Robert held anything in chief on the day he died.'
  ' Inquisition made at York on Wednesday after the feast of St. Michael, 3 Edw. (2 Oct., 1275), before Philip de Wylheby, the Escheator, by William de Habbeton,...[&c.], who say on their oath that Robert de Stuteville, uncle (avunculus) of Jordan Foliot, held nothing of the king in chief on the day he died.' [ Yorks. Inq. II:1, No. 1[2] ]
  'Jordan Foliot', held 1 carucate in the manor of 'Stivelingflete' ca. 1281:
  Et Gilbertus de Luthe tenet j car. terrae in eadem de Jurdano Foliot per feodum militare, et facit sectas praedictas; et ille tenet de Baldewino de Wake, et ille de Rege in capite.' [manor held of Jordan Foliot by military service, which he held of Baldwin Wake, who held same of the King in chief - Kirkby's Inquest p. 64-66[3] ]
  'Holds 2 knights' fees at Cowesby, Nesse, Stivelingeflete, Ripplingham, and Brantingham, Yorks., late of Baldwin Wake, 25 Mar 1282, and overlord of Welyngham Manor, Norf., 10 Sept 1289 (Inq.).'[4]
  Summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 2 Nov 1295 by writs directed 'Jordano Foliot', held thereby to have become Lord Foliot.[1]
  found following his IPM to have ' held of the late King [Edward I] in chief one-fifth of a knight's fee in Hoo, Kent' (CP Vol. V-Foliot, p. 540n)[1]
  re: his wife:
  ' Margery Foliot, lady of Wellehagh ', had her right to have a market at Wellow, co. Notts. confirmed, 22 Feb 1330, when " the justices in eyre were ordered to permit Margery Foliot, lady of Wellehagh, to have her Fri market notwithstanding the eyre, as she and other lords of the town had had from the time of the making of the charters of the king's progenitors (CCR, 1330–33, pp. 124, 129).'[5]
  her heirs were her granddaughters Margery and Margaret, according to her IPM at Notts. (18 May, 1330) and York (22 May, 1330)[1]
  Spouse: Margery de Neumarche[1]
  Death: 18 Apr 1330[1]
  Father: Sir Adam de Neumarche (->1279) of Womersley
  Mother: Isabel de Mowbray
  Children:
  Sir Richard (1283-<1317)
  Joan
  
  1.1 Sir Richard Foliot[6]
  ----------------------------------------
  Birth: 25 Dec 1283[1],[2]
  Death: bef 23 Jul 1317, Scotland, on the king's service[1]
  Occ: Lord Foliot
  knight, of Gressenhall and Weasenham, co. Norfolk
  2nd Lord Foliot
  2nd husband of Joan de Braose[1]:
  'Grant of marriage of Joan, wid. of Jas. de Bohun, 16 Sep. 1310' - Knights of Edward I II:77-78, cites P.R.[4]
  Spouse: Joan de Braose
  Death: bef 23 Jun 1324[1]
  Father: Sir William de Braose (-<1326)
  Mother: NN (-<1317)
  Marr: aft 16 Sep 1310[1]
  Children:
  Margery (<1313-1349)
  Richard (-1325)
  Margaret (-<1402)
  
  1.2 Joan Foliot
  ----------------------------------------
  identified as probable wife of Alphonso de Vere
  (said to be daughter of Richard Foliot)[9]
  Spouse: Alfonso de Vere
  Birth: bef 1263[1]
  Death: ca 20 Dec 1329
  Father: Robert de Vere (~1240-<1296)
  Mother: Alice de Sanford (-<1312)
  Children:
  John (-1359)
  Margery (-1351)
  
  1.2.1 John de Vere
  ----------------------------------------
  Death: 24 Jan 1359[1]
  7th Earl of Oxford
  Hereditary Chamberlain of England
  Spouse: Maud de Badlesmere[10]
  Birth: ca 1310[1]
  Death: 1366[1]
  Father: Bartholomew de Badlesmere (<1275-1322)
  Mother: Margaret de Clare (<1286-1333)
  Children:
  Margaret (-1398)
  Thomas (-1371)
  NN
  Aubrey (-1400)
  
  1.2.2 Margery de Vere
  ----------------------------------------
  Death: 21 May 1351[9]
  Spouse: Maurice de Berkeley
  Death: 12 Feb 1346, siege of Calais[9]
  Father: Sir Maurice de Berkeley (ca1271-1326)
  Mother: Eva la Zouche (-1314)
  Marr: 29 Dec 1331[9]
  Children:
  Thomas
  Maurice
  Edward
  Isabel
  
  1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
  2. William Brown, B.A., ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions," The Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series), various dates:, Vol. II(Record series vol. XXIII) - 1898; Vol. III (Record series vol. XXXI) - 1902.
  3. John de Kirkby, "The survey of the county of York taken by John de Kirkby, commonly called Kirkby's Inquest," also inquisitions of knights' fees, the Nomina villarum for orkshire, and an appendix of illustrative documents, Durham: Pub. for the Society by Andrews and Co., 1867.
  4. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., "Knights of Edward I," Pubs. of the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in series).
  5. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/, extracted 5 Nov 2001, Wiltshire [Bassett], Yorkshire [Salvain] - North Duffield.
  6. "The Visitation of Yorkshire," Harleian Soc., William Flower, Esquire, Norroy King of Arms, Harleian Series, Vol. 16, Mitchell and Hughes, Printers, London, 1881, pp. 154-156: pedigree of Hastings of Elsing ('Hastynges..' of Fenwick, co. Yorks.), 'The Visitation of Yorkshire in the Years 1563 and 1564'.
  7. Jonathan Sumption, "The Hundred Years War," Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999 (first US pub. in 1991; in Britain, 1990), Vol. I: Trial by Battle.
  8. "Public Record Office Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
  9. Douglas Richardson, "Identity of Margery, wife of Maurice de Berkeley (died 1347)," August 4, 2002, GEN-MEDIEVAL- L...@rootsweb.com.
  10. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
  
  BIO
  BIO: from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#JohnVereOxforddied1360A as of 7/24/2016
  
  [JOAN, daughter of RICHARD Foliot & his wife ---].
  
  Complete Peerage Addition: Joan Foliot, wife of Sir Alphonse de Vere
  https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/YF-9dL6k6HE/m/Unc9AKW9U40J
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  Douglas Richardson
  Dear Newsgroup ~
  Complete Peerage 1
  
  === AFGS
  1 QUAY 0 ===
  AFGS
  1 QUAY 0
  
  === Alternate surname: Foliot (IGI (Internat ===
  Alternate surname: Foliot (IGI (International Genealogical Index))
  
  === Broderbund CD,WFT Volume 2, Pedigree # 1 ===
  Broderbund CD,WFT Volume 2, Pedigree # 1999, extracted 11/2/1997.Combined with pedigrees from volumes 2, 11, 12, and 13. Broderbund CD's Published 1995-1997, MCS 1215, p 88, (CP X, 216). Ancestor Quest Family File Queen Elizabeth to Adam, extracted February1998.
  
  === PROBABLE DAUGHTER OF SIR RICHARD FOLIOT ===
  PROBABLE DAUGHTER OF SIR RICHARD FOLIOT
  
  === or Jane ===
  or Jane
  
  === Source: A. Roots. Probably daughter of S ===
  Source: A. Roots. Probably daughter of Sir Richard Foliot.
  
  === My PAF Notes ===
  from thepeerage.com, 6/2009:
  Jane Foliot
  F, #11707
  Jane Foliot||p1171.htm#i11707|Sir Richard Foliot||p2361.htm#i23602||||||||||||||||
  Last Edited=22 May 2008
  Jane Foliot was the daughter of Sir Richard Foliot .
  Child of Jane Foliot and Sir Alphonsus de Vere
  John de Vere, 7th Earl of Oxford + b. 12 Mar 1311, d. Jan 1359
  
  === Ancestral File Number: FSLD-MV !BIR ===
  Ancestral File Number: FSLD-MV !BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: "Ancestral Roots ofSixty Colonists"; by FrederickLewis Weis; 5th Edition; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985; pg 62,line 79, item 30
  
  === !MARRIAGE: Joan Foliot and Alfonso de Ve ===
  !MARRIAGE: Joan Foliot and Alfonso de Vere - Doc. Line 79-30
  
  === !Brown book 5, P C 472. ===
  !Brown book 5, P C 472.
  
  === ! !Colonial Dames of Royal Descent page ===
  ! !Colonial Dames of Royal Descent page 43
  
  === All details for this living person have ===
  All details for this living person have been suppressed.
  
  === !Joan was PROBABLY the dau. of Sir Richa ===
  !Joan was PROBABLY the dau. of Sir Richard Foliot. 79-29. Weis.
  
  === Ancestral File Number: FSLD-MV !BIR ===
  Ancestral File Number: FSLD-MV !BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: "Ancestral Roots ofSixty Colonists"; by Frederick Lewis Weis; 5th Edition; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985; pg 62, line 79, item 30
  
  === !NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Lat ===
  !NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Ancestral File (TM); ; June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998; ; , Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
  
  === !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pe ===
  !GENERAL:Pedigree Resource File CD 4, Pedigree Resource File CD 4, (Salt Lake City, UT: Intellectual Reserve, Inc., 1999)
  
  === Ancestral File Number: FSLD-MV ===
  Ancestral File Number: FSLD-MV
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
  
  === !parents Richard Foliot pxx6-rb !parents ===
  !parents Richard Foliot pxx6-rb !parents Richard Foliot pxx6-rb
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.37, 39, 48; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === Still Living. ===
  Still Living.
  
  === Non-standard gedcom data: 1 HEAL FSLD- ===
  Non-standard gedcom data: 1 HEAL FSLD-MV
  
  === SOURCE: Ancestral File (TM), data as of ===
  SOURCE: Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
  
  === !NAME: also shown as JOAN FOLLYET or FOL ===
  !NAME: also shown as JOAN FOLLYET or FOLLIOT.

• m. 1300 in Oxfordshire, England

1. John de Vere 7th Earl of Oxford, b. 12 MAR 1312 in Oxford, Oxfordshire, England     d. 31 JAN 1359 in Siege of Rheims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Joan Follyet -
   Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3243695014
   
2. Title: UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
   Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60526&h=66507&indiv=try;
   
3. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Joan Follyet - Individual or family possessions: Family genealogies: birth: after 1270; Essex, England, United Kingdom
   Author: Memorabilia
   Note: Individual or family possessions: Family genealogies: birth: after 1270; Essex, England, United Kingdom
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2042921944
   
4. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Joan Follyet -
   Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244051500
   
5. Title: Joan (Foliot) de Vere on WikiTree
   Author: WikiTree contributors, "Joan (Foliot) de Vere", WikiTree, http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Foliot-8 (accessed 11 December 2022)
   Publication: Name: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Foliot-8;
   
6. Title: Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-2015
   Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/collections/9289/records/33142576;
   
7. Title: Millennium File
   Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/collections/7249/records/10068055;