John Tempest

• Preferred Name: John Tempest^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: LD39-5BM
  
• Death: AFT 25 JUN 1356 in Waddington, Yorkshire, England at LATI: N3.889 LONG: E2.4147 with note: Last evidence of Sir John Tempest, when he witnessed a grant in Elslack (next to Broughton)
  
• Birth: 24 AUG 1283 in Bracewell, Yorkshire, England with note: St. Bartholomew's Day 11 EDW I (proof of age is found in the Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, hereafter CIPM, v. 4, p. 171, see also Yorkshire Inquisitions III, Yorkshire Archaeological Society Record Series, hereafter YASRS, v. 37, p. 92-93)
  
• Christening: ABT 1283 in St. Michael, Bracewell, Yorkshire, England at LATI: N3.9333 LONG: E2.2167
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Sir
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  He was summoned to attend the King at Westminster with men at arms in 1323. He was engaged with Roger, Lord Clifford, and the Earl of Lancaster in removing Piers de Gaveston, favorite of Edward II, from the Counsels, an act of duty to their deceased sovereign (Edward I), rather than of disobedience to the then living one, and received a pardon under the great seal.
  
  In the 1346, he held one carucate of land in Waddington and four carucates in Bracewell, and in 1349 he was seised of above manors and lands in Stock, Rilston, Kighley and Skipton.
  
  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tempest-16#Biography
  
  Occupation: Lord of Bracewell and Waddington
  
  === Discrepancy in various records as to who the wife is of John Tempest of 1313 and who the wife is of John Tempest of 1283 ===
  Various records that are available on the internet report different wives for John Tempest, Knight of Bracewell, born about 1313 (LHPJ-347) and his father John Tempest, Lord of Bracewell, born about 1283 (LYLC-S81). Some records list the wife of John Tempest of 1313 as Catherine (Katherine) Sherburne and the wife of John Tempest of 1283 as Margaret Holland (Holand). Other records reverse the wives and list the wife of John Tempest of 1313 as Margaret Holland and the wife of John Tempest of 1283 as Catherine Sherburne.
  
  Probably the most definitive record for documenting the wives of the two John Tempests (father and son) is Burke's "A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain", Volume 2, Page 1447, which reports the wife of John Tempest of 1283 is Katherine Sherburne and the wife of John Tempest of 1313 is Margaret Holland. That would, of course, mean that Katherine Sherburne is the mother of John Tempest of 1313 and not his wife. According to Burke's Landed Gentry, cited above, when John Tempest of 1283 died in 1359, he left three sons born of Katherine Sherburne, daughter of Sir Richard Sherburne, Knight: John (his heir), Richard and Peter. Katherine Sherburne (Tempest) was still living in 1353, according to Burke's Landed Gentry, and that would also certainly make her the mother of John Tempest of 1313 and not his wife.
  
  Following the documentation from Burke's Landed Gentry, I have made Katherine Sherburne the wife of John Tempest of 1283 and the mother of John Tempest of 1313 and also made Margaret Holland the wife of John Tempest of 1313.
  
  Michael Grimshaw
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
  
  === Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
  Nineteenth Great Grandfather : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
  
  === !AF Liv 1286. ===
  !AF Liv 1286.
  
  === Ancestral File Number: 17NN-9RM ===
  Ancestral File Number: 17NN-9RM
  
  === WAS MARGARET HOLAND, DAUGHTER OF SIR ROBERT HOLAND AND MAUD LA ZOUCHE, THE WIFE OF SIR JOHN TEMPEST? ===
  http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/tempest/tempest1.shtml
  
  Sir John Tempest of Bracewell, Broughton, etc. was born 24 Aug. 1283 (proof of age is found in the Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, hereafter CIPM, v. 4, p. 171, see also Yorkshire Inquisitions III, Yorkshire Archaeological Society Record Series, hereafter YASRS, v. 37, p. 92-93). The last evidence of Sir John Tempest was 25 June 1356 when he witnessed a grant in Elslack (next to Broughton). EBT believes he died soon after. EBT and a number of Burke’s publications show Sir John’s wife as Margaret, daughter of Sir Robert Holand by his wife Maud, daughter of Alan lord Zouche. As support for this attribution, EBT quotes a manuscript by Roger Dodsworth (Dodsw. 6, fol. 54, in the Bodleian Library, this should be f. 53, f. 54 is a continuation of the Tempest pedigree that is not relevant here). The Dodsworth MS is the source for a pedigree in Harleian 6136, p. 18 in the British Library, also Harleian 4630, f. 388. EBT also quotes the Visitation of Devon 1562 (Harleian 5185, and the printed version of this, the Visitation of the County of Devon 1564 with additions from the earlier Visitation of 1551, ed. by Frederick Thomas Colby, 1881, Exeter, privately printed, online). However, EBT appears to have misread the Dodsworth MS, which shows Margaret Holand as the wife of Sir John Tempest’s son, John (see below). The Visitation of Devon has a pedigree of the Holand family which shows Margaret Holand as married to John Tempest, but does not specify father or son.
  
  The above Margaret, daughter of Sir Robert Holand, is shown in a number of sources to have been the wife of John la Warre, who died shortly before 24 June 1331, having married before 1326 (Complete Peerage, hereafter CP, v. 4, p. 144, quoting Fine Roll, 5 Edw. III, 1331-32, m. 13, this is in Calendar of Fine Rolls, v. 4, 1327-37, p. 264, see also Ibid. p. 505). The widow of John la Warre died in 1349, according to her IPM (CIPM v. 9, p. 239-40).
  
  We believe that it is unlikely that Sir John Tempest’s wife was Margaret, daughter of Sir Robert Holand. According to CP (v. 6, p. 530) Sir Robert Holand did not marry Maud la Zouche until about 1311 and certainly no later than 1314 (citing CIPM, v. 5, p. 255). Hence, they could not be grandparents of the second John Tempest.
  
  There is also the matter of a Papal Indult in June 1344 to John Tempest, Knight, and Isabel his wife to select their confessors at the hour of their deaths (Calendar of Papal Registers, Papal Letters, v. 3, p. 179, we have confirmed this entry in CPR through examination of an image of the original of this indult from the Vatican Secret Archives, Registri Vaticani 166, f. 347v, number 165). EBT says "Either Sir John had a first wife 'Isabel' or the Holand wife was so called. The son John Tempest was not a knight by 1344 [hence, the CPR reference could not have been to him]."
  
  The marriage of Sir Robert de Holand and Maud la Zouche and Maud's birth in about 1290 are well established by the inquests at the death of her father, Alan la Zouche (CIPM, v. 5, pp. 255-259, the first dated 27 March 7 Edw. II [1314]) in which Maud is identified as wife of Sir Robert de Holand and as age 24 (she had an elder sister, Ellen, wife of Sir Nicholas de Sancto Mauro, age 26, and a younger sister Elizabeth, age 20, a nun; Ellen and Maud are identified as coheirs). It is not clear why CP says Robert and Maud were married “about 1311” (when she would have been 21) but it was certainly before March 1314 (when she was 24). Of course, they could have been married earlier, say as early as 1305.
  
  CP (v. 6, p. 528) says Sir Robert Holand was probably born about 1270, apparently basing that on the fact that his father settled upon him a tenement in 1292 (William Farrer, Lancashire Final Concords I, Record Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, v. 39, p. 173), that he was in the favor of the Earl of Lancaster in 1300 (Calendar of Close Rolls, 1296-1302, p. 365), and that he was a commissioner in 1303 (Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1301-03, p. 191, see also Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 3, pp. 43, 45, 79, 289). Douglas Richardson (Plantagenet Ancestry, 2004, p. 398) says he was born about 1283, basing that on an article by J. R. Maddicott in The English Historical Review, v. 86, p. 452, note. Maddicott bases this birthdate on the fact that Robert was not a knight in May 1302 (Coucher Book of Whalley Abbey, 4: 980-81) but was a knight in Sept. 1305 (Hatton’s Book of Seals, no. 223). So Maddicott imagines that he was knighted c. 1304 “at the usual age of 21.” Furthermore Holand was a vallettus to Thomas of Lancaster in 1298 which suggests to Maddicott that he was underage at that time. Obviously, knighthood could be conferred at a later age. The birthdate of 1283 seems a little late to us but it is possible that the truth is somewhere between the estimates of CP and Maddicott. If Robert was born in 1270, he would have been 20 years older than his wife, giving him time to have had a previous wife.
  
  Sir Robert Holand was beheaded 7 Oct. 1328 (Calendar of Inquisitions Miscellaneous, v. 2, p. 270 and other sources) by adherents of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, for his alleged betrayal of Thomas at the battle of Boroughbridge in 1322. Maud died 31 May 1349 (CIPM, v. 9, p. 178; Lancashire Inquests & Extents, III, Record Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, v. 70, 1913-14, p. 201). Richardson says they had 4 sons and 5 daughters, Isabel, Margaret, Maud, Elizabeth, and Eleanor. Cal. Pat. Rolls 1321-24, p. 75, records an order of 26 February 1322 to conduct a daughter (unnamed) of Robert Holand to the Tower of London along with Aline and John, the wife and son of John de Mowbray. As noted above, CP says Margaret Holand's parents, Robert and Maud (la Zouche) were married about 1311, certainly before 1314, but as noted above, the date could have been (though unlikely) as early as 1305. Hence, Margaret could have been born as early as 1306 or as late as 1314, assuming she was a first child, a big assumption. In any event, she would not have been married (to John Tempest or John la Warre) before 1321 and could not have given birth to John Tempest, born about 1312.
  
  For the record, we note that Sir Robert de Holand and Maud la Zouche had a daughter, Isabel, the second wife of John de Warenne, eighth earl of Surrey (CPR, Edward III 1345-48, 12 December 1346, p. 221). This Isabel could not have been John Tempest’s wife, since, as noted above, no daughter of Robert and Maud could have been his wife.
  
  The above analysis depends considerably on the presumed date of birth of the second John Tempest. EBT shows this in different places in her manuscript as 1308 or 1313. Could John have been born later, such that he could have been the grandson of Sir Robert Holand and Maud la Zouche? The only birthdates in this part of the Tempest line that we know with relative confidence are those of John's father (the senior John Tempest), 1283 by evidence of the proof of age, and this John's great-grandson, Richard (whom we discuss later), born 1356, according to his testimony in the Scrope vs. Grosvenor proceeding. Counting back from that date, it is hard to imagine that Richard's grandfather, the second John, could have been born after 1320, at the latest. This is still too early for John to have been the grandson of Sir Robert Holand and Maud la Zouche, even if they were married in 1305, which is unlikely. We believe the outside limits for the second John Tempest's birth are 1303 to 1313, most probably between 1305 and 1311.
  
  We believe that Sir John Tempest's wife was not Margaret, daughter of Robert de Holand and Maud la Zouche, nor any other daughter of Robert and Maud (e.g., Katherine or Isabel). She may have been a Margaret (although the Papal Indult indicates that John's wife in 1344 was an Isabel). A daughter of Robert de Holand and Elizabeth de Samlesbury would fit better on chronological grounds. If so, it was probably not Margaret, since Robert and Elizabeth's daughter Margaret is known to have been married to John Blackburn, Robert de Hephale, and Adam Banester. And accounts of Robert and Elizabeth's family do not include daughters named Isabel, Katherine, or Mary. We conclude that we do not know the identity of Sir John Tempest's wife.
  
  We should note that if John Tempest married a daughter of Robert de Holand and Elizabeth de Samlesbury, his son John Tempest (see next) and his wife Katherine Sherburne would be related in the second and third degree, clearly prohibited. We do not find in the Calendar of Papal Registers permission for this marriage. Other high officials of the church could issue dispensations and we have examined the published registers of William Melton, Archbishop of York during this period (Canterbury and York Society, vols. 70, 71, 76, 85, 93) also without finding relevant records. However, not all of Melton's registers have been published (they appear to be kept at the Borthwick Institute at the University of York). Some dispensations and licenses for marriage by the Archbishops of York, Bishops of Durham, and Archdeacons of Richmond from 1308-1531 are found in Testamenta Eboracensia volumes 3 and 4 (volumes 45 and 53 of the Surtees Society Publications). We do not find a dispensation for John and Katherine in this source. Of course, failure to find a dispensation is not definitive evidence that John did not marry a Holand.
  
  A possible clue to the first John's wife may lie in transactions relating to rights to his marriage. His father, Richard, died 29 Sept. 1297, before John came of age (he was 14) and Richard's lands and the rights to his marriage were taken into the king' hands. The king apparently granted John's marriage to Bolton priory which then sold it to William Mauleverer in 1299-1300 (Bolton Priory Compotus 1287-1325, v. 154 of Yorks. Arch. Soc., 2000, pp. 101, 115)...

• m. BEF 1310 in Europe

1. John Tempest, b. ABT 1313 in Bracewell, Yorkshire, England     d. ABT 1383 in Bracewell, Yorkshire, England

1. Title: The Early Tempests
   Author: Internet, Some Notes on Medieval English Genealogy, Families, The Early Tempests, by John R. Schuerman
   Publication: Name: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/tempest/early.shtml;
   Note: The entry for Roger Tempest III: Sir Roger Tempest III. EBT says he was "born say 1226." The first notice of Roger identified by EBT is dated by her before 6 July 1247 when he was witness to a grant of the manor of Elslack (next to Bracewell) by Nicholas Ward to William of York (William of Ebor.), Provost of Beverley (Collect. Topo. et Geneal. Vol 6. p. 132. No T 18). She dates this from the time William of York was appointed Bishop of Salisbury (her citation is the Dictionary of National Biography; the current online edition of DNB says he was elected Bishop of Salisbury 8 December 1246, receiving his temporalities in 1247). If this reference is to Roger III, it would suggest that he was born not later than 1226. However, the next reference to him is 20 years later, so perhaps the reference to Roger is to an earlier Roger Tempest, maybe a brother of Roger III's father, Richard. [My question would be why an earlier Roger?] Also, see Appendix 2 to this document.
   
2. Title: Medeival English Geneaolgy: Tempest Wives & Daughters in the late Medieval Period
   
3. Title: Transcript of Eleanor Blanche Tempest’s, Tempest Pedigrees, Volume 1
   Publication: Name: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/ebt/index.shtml;
   Page: pp 28-34. Also, Death of John Tempest: The 25 June 1356, Sir Richard Tempest, along with his brother Sir John and their aged father Sir John Tempest of Bracewell, knts, witnessed at Elslack, Thomas Marton's feoffment of his lands at Elslack (near Broughton) (Collect: Topo: et Geneal: vol. 6, p.143, copy of deed), page 40.
   
4. Title: Proof of Age of John Tempest son of Richard Tempest
   Author: Great Britain. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 4, 29-35 Edward I: 1300-1307. (London, 1913), p 171
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/cu31924011387820/page/170/mode/2up;
   
5. Title: Online - Some Notes of Medival English Geneaology
   
6. Title: WAS MARGARET HOLAND, DAUGHTER OF SIR ROBERT HOLAND AND MAUD LA ZOUCHE, THE WIFE OF SIR JOHN TEMPEST?
   Author: SOME NOTES ON MEDIEVAL ENGLISH GENEALOGY: TEMPEST WIVES AND DAUGHTERS IN THE LATE MEDIEVAL PERIOD. PART 1. BY JOHN R. SCHUERMAN AND DOUGLAS HICKLING
   Publication: Name: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/tempest/tempest1.shtml;
   Note: There is also the matter of a Papal Indult in June 1344 to John Tempest, Knight, and Isabel his wife to select their confessors at the hour of their deaths (Calendar of Papal Registers, Papal Letters, v. 3, p. 179, we have confirmed this entry in CPR through examination of an image of the original of this indult from the Vatican Secret Archives, Registri Vaticani 166, f. 347v, number 165). EBT says "Either Sir John had a first wife 'Isabel' or the Holand wife was so called. The son John Tempest was not a knight by 1344 [hence, the CPR reference could not have been to him]."
   Page: Lays out proof why Margaret Holand cannot be the wife of John Tempest.