Joan Carminow

• Preferred Name: Joan Carminow^[1]
  
• Alternate Name: De Whalesborough
  
• Gender: F
  
• LdsSealingToParents: 8 SEP 1993 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Death: 6 AUG 1349 in Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.2512 LONG: E5.0668
  
• Birth: ABT 1290 in St Mewan, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.3302 LONG: E4.8152
  
• LdsEndowment: 19 OCT 1996 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Burial: AUG 1349
  
• LdsBaptism: 7 MAR 1996 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• FSID: LJ29-GLH
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  «b»Biography
  Birth and Parents«/b»
  Joan Carminow was the daughter of Sir Roger Carminow and his wife Joan Dinham.
  
  Estimate here birth year as, say, 1290. Her husband was born about 1288. They were married when he was 5 in 1293.
  
  «b»Marriage to Sir William de Walesbreu«/b»
  In 1293 when he was 5 years old, she was married to William de Walesbreu the son of Marcus de Whalesborugh and his wife Matilda Arundel.
  
  Sir William de Walesbreu was born c1288 as he was age 14 in 1302 when he was heir to his older brother John who d.s.p. He was of Whalesborough (parish of St. Mawnan), Perran-Uthno (Udnow), Trerose, Langkerf (Lancarffe), Lamelwen (Lamellion), Elwen, and Tresider, in Cornwall.
  
  In 1302, William Bottreux brought a Writ of Wardship against Roger Carminow to regain possession of William, the brother and heir of John de Whalesboro, presumably because he had suddenly became more valuable. Roger replied to the writ, "William whilst your ward married our daughter." Bottreux was apparently arguing the marriage wasn't valid because "William de Whalesboro was only 5 years old then, and under 14 now". That they remained married is confirmed by a fine in 1319 which names William De Whalebreus and Johanna his wife as default remainder heirs of Oliver Carminow. In a fine of 10 May 1321, Joan, wife of William de Walesbreu was called a sibling of Oliver de Carminow and in another fine of 13 Oct 1333 she is called Joan, who was the wife of William de Walesbreu. As a result of this marriage, the Whalesborough's are said by the History of Trerose Manor website to have acquired the manor of Trerose which had been a Carminow manor; Joan's father Sir Roger Carminow (d. 1308) began the building of Trerose church and his monumental effigy can still be seen in St. Mawgan. However, the Whaleborough's certainly had an interest in Trerose as early as 1213 when it is part of the dower Osemunda.
  
  «b»1328 Husband's Death«/b»
  Sir William De Walesbreu died in 21 August 1328. Tristram Risdon says that "Willelmus Whalisburgh de Whalesburgh, knight, obitt 1328" bore the arms "Gules, three bandlets argent on a bordure sable, nine bezants."
  
  «b»1335 Lawsuits and Presentations«/b»
  "Joan, who was wife of William de Walesbrew" occurs in a suit in 1335. As Joan, relict of William de Whalesbreu, she presented to St. Mawnan-in-Kerrier 23 Feb 1347 and 6 Nov 1348; her son Sir John de Whalesbreu made the next presentation on 6 Aug 1349 and 3 April 1350.
  
  «b»1362 Death«/b»
  She died after 1 March 1361/62 as she presented one last time at St. Mawnan as Joan, relict of William de Whalesbreu.
  
  «b»Issue«/b»
  1.) John Whalesborough.
  
  2.) Isabel Whalesborough. Isabel married twice to 1st Henry De Bodrugan and 2nd Henry Wilington.
  
  3.) Mary Whalesborough married Thomas Chiverton.
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.42; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;

• m. BEF 1309

1. Isabel Whalesborough, b. ABT 1311 in Cornwall, England     d. 20 MAR 1363 in Devon, England
2. John Whalesborough, b. ABT 1315 in Cornwall, England     d. 26 APR 1362 in England

1. Title: Book - Visitations of Cornwall
   Author: Google Books
   Note: Joan Carminow d/o Roger Carminow & Joanna b- m- William Whalesborough d - after 1321 1321- in default of heirs of her brothers - remainder to Joan & her husband William Whaleborough, heirs of her body