John de Ashton II

• Preferred Name: John de Ashton II^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}
  
• Alternate Name: John de Assheton
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: GXHK-V1F
  
• Death: 1403 in Norham, Northumberland, England at LATI: N5.7177 LONG: E2.1601 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Titles of Nobility: in , Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.8185 LONG: E2.6257 with note: Description: Lord of Ashton
  
• Birth: 1340 in Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England at LATI: N3.4877 LONG: E2.0969 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Titles of Nobility: with note: Description: Sir Knight
  
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• Death: Y with note: Description: Drowned in a well at Norham, Northumberland, England at the seige of Noylon During the Hundred Years War
  
• Occupation: MP for Lancashire
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  ASSHETON, Sir John I (c.1354-c.1398), of Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancs.
  Constituency Dates
  LANCASHIRE Oct. 1382
  LANCASHIRE Sept. 1388
  LANCASHIRE Jan. 1390
  
  Family and Education
  b.c.1354, s. and h. of John Assheton (d.c.1360) of Ashton-under-Lyne by his w. Margaret, da. of Robert del Leigh of Adlington, Cheshire.
  m. (1) by c.1366, Joan, da. of William Radcliffe of Smithills, Lancs., at least 5s. inc. Sir John II*, 1 da.;
  (2) a da. of Robert Staveley (d. by 1410) of Staveley, Cheshire.
  Kntd. by 1377.
  
  Offices Held
  Commr. of array, Lancs. Apr. 1381, Feb. 1384, Mar. 1400; to make arrests Dec. 1381, Derbys. Feb. 1388.
  J.p. Lancs. 18 Mar. 1384.
  
  Biography
  The ancestors of this MP took their name from the manor of Ashton-under-Lyne where they are known to have lived from the mid 12th century onwards, if not before. In 1346, John’s father claimed that his estates were worth only £10 8s. p.a. in all, but since he was then trying to avoid being made a knight (and thus having to shoulder heavier administrative and financial burdens) this sum clearly represents a gross undervaluation of his annual landed income. When bringing an action of account against his former guardians, Sir John Kirkby and William Radcliffe, some 30 years later, John estimated his revenues at £100 p.a., but he then had every reason to exaggerate. He was about six years old when his father died, leaving his mother and her new husband, William Radcliffe of Todmorden, to dispute with Sir John Kirkby over the allocation of her dower and the custody of the property and person of the young heir. As subsequent litigation shows, the two parties appear to have reached a compromise, although John’s betrothal to Joan, the daughter of William Radcliffe of Smithills, suggests that his stepfather alone acquired his marriage on behalf of one of his kinsmen. John’s efforts, soon after his coming-of-age in 1375, to force Kirkby and Radcliffe to pay back some of the profits they had taken from his estates were evidently quite successful, as by August 1377 the latter, at least, had begun making good a debt of 140 marks.
  ...
  his eldest son, Sir John II, a loyal servant of the new regime, was handsomely rewarded at this time. So too were three of the latter’s brothers, Nicholas, Piers and Robert, who, in keeping with family tradition, also wore the Lancastrian livery. This attachment on the part of the Assheton family cannot but have been strengthened by Sir John’s second marriage to a sister of Sir Ralph Staveley, since the latter showed similar devotion to Gaunt and his son.
  
  https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/assheton-sir-john-i-1354-1398
  
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  De Assheton, Sir John (d. 1427/8), kt.(Parents: Elder son of Sir John de Ashton (c.1354-98) and his wife, Joan, the daughter of William Radcliffe of Smithills in Lancashire.)MY NOTE: for verification of marriage on sources.
  He followed his father into service with the House of Lancaster in the 1380s, and was made a Knight of the Bath at the coronation of King Henry IV in 1400. JP for Lancashire from 1404 and MP for Lancashire in 1411, 1413 and 1416. He may have fought against the Welsh and the Scots during Henry IV's reign; he certainly served under King Henry V in 1415 on the Agincourt campaign. In 1417 he returned to France and was appointed seneschal of Bayeux and baillie of the Cotentin in 1418, offices he held until 1421. During those years he was also sent three times on embassy to Brittany. In the 1420s he played less part in public life, but was appointed JP for Yorkshire. He married 1st, Jane, daughter of John Savile of Tankersley (Yorks), by whom he had three sons and eight daughters, and 2nd, Margaret Gray.
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  Sir John de Ashton (fl. 1370), was a military commander.
  Ashton was the son of Thomas de Ashton (warrior), who had distinguished himself at the battle of Nevill's Cross. The dates of his birth and death are unknown, but in 1370 he figured as the hero of one of those picturesque incidents which Froissart delighted to describe. Lord Berners has thus translated the passage:
  The lande of the Lord of Coucy abode in peace, for ther was nother man nor woman that had any hurt, the value of a penny, yf they sayd they belonged to the lorde of Coucy. And so at last the englysshmen came before the cyte of Noyon, the whiche was well furnished with men of warre; ther the englysshmen taryed, and aproched as near as they might, and aduysed to se yf any maner of assaut might preuayle them or not, and there they sawe that the towne was well aparelled for defence. And sir Robert Canoll was loged in the abbey of Dolkens, and his people about him; and on a day he came before the cyte, raynged in maner of batayle, to se yf they of the garyson and comontie of the towne wolde yssue out and fight or not; but they had no wyll so to do. There was a scottysh knyght dyde there a goodly feate of armes, for he departed fro his company, his speare in his hande, mounted on a good horse, his page behynde hym, and soo came before the barryers; this knyght was called sir Johan Assueton, a hardy man and a couragious; whan he was before the barryers of Noyon he lighted afote, and sayd to his page, Holde, kepe my horse and departe nat hens; and so went to the barryers. And within ye barryers ther were good knightes, as sir Johan of Roy, sir Launcelot of Lowrys, and a x. or xii. other, who had great marueyle what this sayde knight wolde do. Than he sayd to them, Sirs, I am come hyder to se you, I se well ye wyll nat yssue out of your barryers, therfore I wyll entre and I can, and will proue my knyghthode agaynst yours: wyn me and ye can; and therwith he layed on rounde about hym, and they at hym, and thus he alone fought against them more than an hour, and dyd hurt two or thre of thē; so that they of the towne on the walles and gerettes stode styll and behelde them, and had great pleasure to regarde his valiātnesse, and dyde him no hurt, the whiche they might haue done, if they hadde lyst to haue shotte or cast stones at hym and also the frenche knightes charged them to let hym and them alone togyder. So long they fought that at last his page came nere to the barryers, and spake in his language and sayd. Sir, cōe away, it is tyme for you to depart, for your company is departyng hens: the knight herde him well, and then gaue a two or thre strokes about him, and so, armed as he was, he lept out of the barryers, and lepte upon his horse, without any hurt, behynde his page, and sayd to the frenchmen, Adue, sirs, I thank you, and so rode forthe to his owne company; the whiche dede was moche praysed of many folkes'.
  The term "Scottish knight" is somewhat perplexing, and has led Mr. Johnes[who?] to suppose that one of the Setons is meant; but Froissart applies the term generally to all who were in that army, although Sir Robert Canoll — that is, Sir Robert Knolles — was of Cheshire birth. Sir John Ashton was knight of the shire for his native county in the parliament of Westminster in 1389. He married Margaret, daughter of Perkin Legh of Lyme, and was succeeded in the lordship of Ashton by his son. Sir John, who was drowned at Norham.".[1]
  
  History of John Ashton ( -1428)
  Like his father before him, Assheton became a retainer of John of Gaunt, duke of Lancaster, while still a comparatively young man, being retained by him during the 1380s at an annual fee of £20. He mu
  
  === Legacy Disputes see my note ===
  See sources with document in memories from a volume and page that had been prepared by her Father and copied into this book showing the marriage of Margaret Legh to Jno.Ashton. No date shown - it states 'Margaret married to Jno.Ashton of Ashton' from which I conclude, that statement, denotes that they were already married.
  
  === Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
  Nineteenth Great Grandfather : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather
  
  === Sir John de Assheton; allegedly present ===
  Sir John de Assheton; allegedly present at seige of Noylon during Hundred Years War 1370; member of retinue with John of Gaunt in Spain 1386, comissioned by Henry IV to muster forces against the Percy's in their rebellion 1403; drowned in a well at Norham. [Burke's Peerage]
  
  === John was Knight of the Shire for Lancas ===
  Sir John de Assheton; allegedly present at seige of Noylon during Hundred Years War 1370; member of retinue with John of Gaunt in Spain 1386, comissioned by Henry IV to muster forces against the Percy's in their rebellion 1403; drowned in a well at Norham. [Burke's Peerage]
  
  === History ===
  At seige of Noylon during Hundred Years War. 1370 with John of Gaun in Spain 1386 commissioned by Henry IV to muster forces against the Percy's in their rebellion.

• m. 1341 in England

1. John de Ashton, MP for Lancashire, b. ABT 1372 in Lancashire, England, United Kingdom    

• m. 1342 in Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Sir John de Ashton or Assheton x II - Published information: death: 1403; Norham, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
   Note: Published information: death: 1403; Norham, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2386360679
   
2. Title: Margaret Legh Marriage John Ashton
   Author: Copy of a document that her Father had compiled in a later published volume of information showing a family 'Legh' tree showing - 'Margaret marriage to Jno. Ashton of Ashton' - (which implicates that she has married John Ashton).
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/contributionsto00renagoog/page/n150/mode/2up?view=theater;
   Note: Document
   Page: Margaret Legh and John Ashton married unknown date
   
3. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Sir John de Ashton or Assheton x II -
   Author: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley {1999}, Page number: 605
   Note: Source Media Type: Book
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736742367
   
4. Title: Some Descendants of (Sir) John DE ASSHETON Knight (1300 - 1360)
   Author: Website
   Publication: Name: http://washington.ancestryregister.com/ASSHETON00006.htm;
   Note: This is a nice compilation of the three four primary generations of John de Assheton. Starting with the military comander son of Thomas de Assheton.
   Page: Brief summary of his ancestry
   
5. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Sir John de Ashton or Assheton x II -
   Author: Burke's Landed Gentry, Page number: 51
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736742410
   
6. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Sir John de Ashton or Assheton x II -
   Author: Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, 2nd Ed; John Burke &John Bernard Burke {1841}, Page number: 20
   Note: Source Media Type: Book
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736741112