Alice de Lacy of Clifton

• Preferred Name: Alice de Lacy of Clifton^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]}
  
• Alternate Name: Alice de Lacy
  
• Alternate Name: Geoffrey DUTTON
  
• Gender: F
  
• Birth: BEF 1185 in Halton, Cheshire, England at LATI: N3.3362 LONG: E2.6974
  
• There is an indication that Isabelle could also be:: with note: Description: AKA: Alice Donia de Lacy. Information gathered from Ancestry Family Trees while searching for corrections and additions to persons, dates and places. This was a note in ( ). Other than that, that was the only reference I could find on Isabelle as a possible spouse to Geoffrey de Dutton.
  
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• Death: 1271 in Warburton, Cheshire, England at LATI: N3.4 LONG: E2.45
  
• FSID: LVCN-2S8
  
• Other: liv abt 1186 in Halton, Chester, England at LATI: N3.331 LONG: E2.694
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  «b»Biography«/b»
  Alice was born before 1190 as her father died that year at Tyre while on the Third Crusade.
  
  Alice was the daughter of John, 6th baron of Halton (fitzRichard), Constable of Cheshire, and his wife, Alice. Alice's mother was a cousin of William Mandevyle, earl of Essex, and niece of Aubrey (III) de Vere, earl of Oxford. Alice's father, John, founded the "abby of Stanlaw" in Wirral, Cheshire, in 1178, (which was translated to Whalley in Lancashire in 1296) and among the witnesses to the deed are Hugo de Dutton, Robertus Venator, Adam de Dutton, and Hugo his brother.
  
  Mr Erdeswicke's Booke of Chefhire says Alice married Adam, second son of Sir Hughe of Duttone, knight, lord of Dutton.
  
  Was Alice his first wife? Because between 1163 and 1190, the period when Alice's father, John, was Constable of Chester, he witnessed the deed in which Roger' fil' Aluredi' confirmed to Adam de Dutton in free marriage with Agnete, his daughter, medietate' Werbertune, which was also witnessed by P'or' de Nort' , Hug' d' Dutt', Gauf' d' dutt'. Adam Dutton of Dutton, with the assent of Agnes his wife, made a grant of the moiety of the town of Warburton which was of the fee of Roger Fitz Alfred, to the Premonstratensian canons and St Mary and St Werburg of Warburton, where his son John was buried, which mentions Roger Constable of Chester and was witnessed by Hugh de Dutton and Geoffrey his brother. This grant can be dated to between 1190 when Roger became Constable of Chester upon the death of his father, John, and before 1211 when Roger died.
  
  Lysons' Magna Brittanca also says John de Lacy, Baron of Halton, had a daughter Alice (citing sir Peter Leycester) whom he gave in marriage to Adam de Dutton with Sale and many other manors (citing the Collections of Laurence Bostock and James Chaloner), but as "it is certain that Adam Dutton's wife was named Agnes", the daughter of Roger FitzAlfred, suggests it's not improbable that Alice married Geffrey, son of Adam, as there is no account of Geoffrey's wife in the pedigrees of the Warburton family. Lysons quotes, as confirmation of this conjecture, a deed in Leycester's Antiquities in which John Lacy gives the manor of Clifton to Geffrey Dutton, feilicet de uxore defponfata. In 1187, Geffrey, son of Adam Dutton, ancestor of the Warburton, bestowed the manor of Sale on his gentlemen, Richard Mascie and Thomas Holte, athough the Dr Williamson says the Holtes inherited their moiety of the manor from the family of Sale in the reign of Richard II.
  
  === ! ! ! !Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor ===
  ! ! ! !Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants Page 168
  
  === Ancestral File Number: V9S6-25 ===
  Ancestral File Number: V9S6-25
  
  === GEN: See Historical Document. ===
  GEN: See Historical Document.
  
  === From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
  From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
  
  === AFGS 1 _UPD 13 DEC 2010 19:08:24 GMT-6 ===
  AFGS
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  === ! Agnes FitzAlured daughter and co-heir ===
  ! Agnes FitzAlured daughter and co-heir of Roger FitzAlured.
  
  === - Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith - Ormero ===
  - Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith - Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Vol. 1, pp. 426-430, 475-479, 526;Vol.3, pp. 393-5 mas001GedCom@rainbeaux.net
  
  === ==Biography==Idonea Lacy was the daughte ===
  ==Biography==Idonea Lacy was the daughter of [[Lacy-284|Sir John de Lacy, 7th Earl of Lincoln]], born circa 1192, died 22 July 1240, Magna Carta Surety,and his wife, [[Quincy-238|Margaret de Quincy]], born 1208, died before 30 March 1266.[[#Lewis|Lewis]]
  
  == Notes ==
  On the visitation pedigree, below, [[Lacy-883|Idonia]] is the daughterof Magna Carta [[Lacy-284|John]]'s second wife, [[Aigle-2|Alicia]] and marries a [[Camville-17|Roger]] de Camville. Richardson has [[Aigle-2|Alice]] as [[Lacy-284|John]]'s first wife, and states there was no issue from that union. He doesn't include a daughter, Idonia, for [[Lacy-284|John]], at all. However, he has stated that there are two other daughters. From: "Douglas Richardson", Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Children of John de Lacy, Date: 3 Oct 2005 08:52:31 -0700 [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2005-10/1128354751]
  While she may be one of those unnamed daughters, the source used for her marriage to any Geoffery Dutton, seems to be based on an error.
  Marlyn cites ''Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants'', Vol. III, p. 168. However, that entry confuses two different John de Lacys and two different Geoffrey Duttons.
  Firstly, it calls her "Alice (Idonia) de Lacy". Secondly, it marries her to the Crusader Geoffrey Dutton who dies in 1248.
  That would be this [[Lacy-124|Alice]], daughter of Crusader, [[Lacy-276|John de Lacy]], Magna Carta [[Lacy-284|John]]'s aunt.
  There's no evidence "Idonia" married a Geoffrey Dutton, and Alice is, most definitely, not Magna Carta John's daughter.
  :"The old Crusader [Geoffrey Dutton] is believed to have married Alice, daughter of John de Lacy, Baron of Halton, by whom he had a son, Geoffrey, who succeeded at his death, about the year 1248, and was in turn the father of a Sir Peter..." County Families of Lancashire andCheshire, p 219 [https://books.google.ca/books?id=C9UKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA219]
  That [[De_Dutton-57|Geoffrey]] is down from [[Dutton-1308|Hugh II]]'s son, [[Dutton-1307|Adam]], not down from his son, [[Dutton-1050|Hugh III]]. A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentryof Great Britain and Ireland, p 824 [https://archive.org/stream/agenealogicalan05burkgoog#page/n824/mode/1up]
  
  == Sources ==
  * Harleian Society. ''The Visitation of Cheshirein the Year 1580'', [[Space:The Publicatons of The Harleian Society|The Publicatons of The Harleian Society]] (London: The Society, 1882) [https://books.google.com/books?id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&pg=PA6 Vol. 18, Page 6]: "The Barons of Dalton, Constables of Chester. [Harl. 1424, fo. 3b. Harl. 1505, fo. 2b.]" "Idonin nupta Rogero D'no Camville"* Marlyn Lewis, ''[http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p391.htm#i11736 Our Royal, Titled, Nobleand Commoner Ancestors]'' citing Langston, Aileen Lewers. & Buck, J. Orton, Jr., comp. ''Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants'', Vol. III, p. 168, and Wurts, John S. ''Magna Charta'' (Brookfield Publishing Company, 1945) p. 1005.
  
  === !CHECK: It is an interesting coincidenc ===
  !CHECK: It is an interesting coincidence that two different Geoffrey Duttons married a Alice Lacy with the same residence, time period, and father's name (they are cousins). They are not the same person, but it would appear that only one of them could have married her.
  
  === !Family Records, Salt Lake City, Ut. ===
  !Family Records, Salt Lake City, Ut.
  
  === Md: 2) DE CAMVILLE, Roger ===
  Md: 2) DE CAMVILLE, Roger
  
  === She brought with her Nether-Tabley and W ===
  She brought with her Nether-Tabley and Westhale.
  
  === Idonea/Alice de Lacie was the ward of Ki ===
  Idonea/Alice de Lacie was the ward of King Henry III.
  
  === She brought with her Nether-Tabley and ===
  She brought with her Nether-Tabley and Westhale.
  
  === GEN: See Historical Document. GEN: See H ===
  GEN: See Historical Document. GEN: See Historical Document.

1. Geoffrey de Dutton, b. ABT 1200 in Great Budworth, Cheshire, England     d. ABT 1277

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Alice Donia de Lacy -
   Author: The History of Cheshire, Ormerod, George Esq., LL.D., F.S.A., 2nd Edition by Thomas Helsby, Esq, London: George Routledge & Sons, 1882, Brigham Young University, Harold B. Lee Library, Provo, UT 84604, Page number: vol. 1, p. 573
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2332820711
   
2. Title: online - Dutton
   Note: sir, Geoffrey Dutton, Baron of Nether Tabley, Warburton s/o sir, Goeffrey Dutton, Knt, & Alice Lacy, of Clifton b- before 1234 - Great Budworth, Cheshire,England m- Idonea d/o John Lacy, Bonstable of Halton, Baron of Halton Lacy & Margaret Quincy b- 1222 - Lincoln,Lincolnshire,England (she marr 2nd husband Roger Camville) m- Margaret b- 1212 - Cheshire m- Isabelle b- 1238 - Ashleigh, Cheshire d - 1276 - Warburton,Cheshire,England
   
3. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Alice Donia de Lacy - Individual or family possessions: Family genealogies: birth: about 1206; Cheshire, England, United Kingdom
   Author: Memorabilia
   Note: Individual or family possessions: Family genealogies: birth: about 1206; Cheshire, England, United Kingdom Individual or family possessions: Family genealogies: birth-name: Alice de Lacy
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2042921944
   
4. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Idonea De LACY -
   Author: Source 5 (please edit title)
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2644080679
   
5. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Idonea (Alice) de Lacy -
   Author: Pedigrees of some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendents, Langston & Buck, Page number: III:168
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2750741113
   
6. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Idonea de Lacy -
   Author: Family History Library archive record (family group sheet)
   Note: Source: Eng. V, V7 p. 676-678; A1 C20 p. 277, Eng. 116, Eng. 138 pt. 1 p. 89 Submitter: Jesse L. Warner
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244547632
   
7. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Alice Donia de Lacy -
   Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244051500
   
8. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Daughter De Lacy - birth: about 1226; Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom
   Author: Internet source, Page number: http://library.monterey.edu/merrill/family/dorsett6/d0098/I8244.html
   Note: birth: about 1226; Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom Source Media Type: Electronic
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2044140769
   
9. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Idonea (Alice) de Lacy -
   Author: The History of County Palatine and City of Chester, George Ormerod. Harleian Society Publishers, 1882, Page number: I:573
   Note: Source Media Type: Book Source Media Type: Book
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736742405
   
10. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Alice Donia de Lacy -
    Author: International Genealogical Index (R), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, data as of August 25, 2004, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2036380302