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Robert Bacon Dominican writer in England
- Preferred Name: Robert Bacon Dominican writer in England[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]
- Gender: M
- Death: 1248 in England
- Burial: in church of their order at Oxford at LATI: N4.9603 LONG: E7.4728
- Birth: BEF 1200 in Baconsthorpe, Norfolk, England at LATI: N2.8896 LONG: E0.1583 with note: Birth before 1200 is a wild guess based on the info in Life Event indicating he was an old man in 1233 when he became a Dominican friar.
- FSID: LH73-GCX
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Robert Bacon (died 1248) was the first Dominican writer in England.
Contents
1 Biography
1.1 Early life
1.2 Conflict with Henry III
1.3 Dominican friar
2 Possible references to Bacon
3 Works
4 References
Biography
Early life
He was, according to some accounts the brother, according to others the uncle, of Roger Bacon. He is described as already an old man in 1238. He was educated at Oxford, where he was first the pupil and afterwards the friend and fellow-lecturer of Edmund Rich, on whose life he later wrote. He went with his friend Richard Fishaker to study at the University of Paris. According to the Biographia Britannica, in 1233 he succeeded Edmund Rich as treasurer of Salisbury Cathedral.
Conflict with Henry III
He had joined the order of the Dominicans (already been settled near Oxford), and was lecturing in the new schools they had founded in St. Edward's parish. It was in 1233 that the most important of his recorded acts took place. Henry III had sent a second and a third summons to his baronage to meet him at Oxford, but they, justly incensed at his notorious fondness for foreigners and subservience to his two stranger favourites, Peter des Roches, bishop of Winchester, and Peter de Rivaux, refused to appear. It was in this time of waiting and suspense that Robert Bacon, one of the new order of friar preachers or Dominicans who had been chosen to preach before the king and his assembled bishops, had the boldness to tell Henry to his face that he would never enjoy lasting peace until he had banished Peter des Roches (Petrum de Rupibus) and his fellows from his councils. To this advice many of those present assented, and, after a while, the king himself acknowledged the wisdom of the course recommended; whereupon, seeing the king in so gracious a mood, a certain clerk attached to the royal court, called by the old authorities Roger Bacon, asked a sarcastic riddle: "Lord king, what is the greatest danger to those who are crossing the straits?" Henry made answer in the words of Scripture that they could tell whose business was on the great deep. "Nay, my lord," answered the clerk, "I will tell thee — Petræ et Rupes" ("Rocks and Cliffs") — a bitter allusion to Peter des Roches. It seems almost certain that the Roger here must be a mistake. Roger Bacon cannot at this time have been old enough to play such a part, and was then a young student at Oxford or elsewhere. Moreover, as there is clear evidence that the first half of this story (which on the best manuscript authority belongs to Robert) has been attributed to Roger Bacon by later mediaeval writers, we can hardly be wrong if we bear Fuller's[who?] words in mind, and with him read Robert in the second instance as well as in the first.
Dominican friar
Robert Bacon, then, was a Dominican friar in 1233, and to this fact we may add that although an old man upon entering that order he did not desist from his public lectures. His friend Richard Fishaker was associated with him in this work – a pair of friends so devoted to one another that Leland says writers of that age never disassociated their names, and that even death could not divide them. Both died in the same year, 1248, and were buried in the church of their order at Oxford. Matthew Paris considers their decease worthy of a place in his history, adding that it was the common opinion of that age that no contemporary writers surpassed or even equalled these two, whether in theology or other branches of learning, and paying a final tribute to their great zeal in the work of public preaching.
=== Source: Your Family Tree, Jordon & Kimba ===
Source: Your Family Tree, Jordon & Kimball, Genealogical Publishing Company, 1968, p. 187
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.35;
=== (3) There are 2 ordinances numbered 7693 ===
(3) There are 2 ordinances numbered 7693
=== (1280) ===
(1280)
Preferred Parents:
Father: Edmund Bacon, b. ABT 1222 in OULTON, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND
Mother: Edmund Bacon, b. ABT 1225 in , SUFFOLK, ENGLAND
Family 1: De Ingham, b. ABT 1230
- m. ABT 1249 in of Staffordshire, England
- Thomas Bacon,
Sources:
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon -
Author: Ancestral File (R), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222799
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon -
Author: Ancestral File (R), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2032960719
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon - birth: about 1258; Baconsthorpe, Norfolkshire, England, United Kingdom
Author: Ancestral File.LDS Church. Family History Library.
Note: birth: about 1258; Baconsthorpe, Norfolkshire, England, United Kingdom
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2198868384
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon -
Author: Ancestral File (R), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2680860794
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon -
Author: Jim Weber ; www.rootsweb.com - file - jweber
Note: Source Media Type: Book
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736741111
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon -
Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244051500
- Title: Robert Bacon in entry for Ann Bacon, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Author: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NP1X-YVQ : 4 February 2023), Robert Bacon in entry for Ann Bacon, 1633.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NP1X-YVQ;
Note: This extracted record was used to create this person in Family Tree.
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon -
Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, July 1996 (c), data as of 2 January 1996
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222795
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert Bacon -
Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222797
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