Simon Ramsay II

• Preferred Name: Simon Ramsay II^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]}
  
• Alternate Name: Simon de Ramsay I
  
• Gender: M
  
• Alternate+Death+Date: AFT 1170 with note: ECCO-TCP > Text Creation Partnership > RAMSAY Parl of DALHOTSIE: SIMON de RAMSAY
  
• flourished+in+the+reign+of+king+David+I+and+Malcom+IV: with note: ECCO-TCP > Text Creation Partnership > RAMSAY Parl of DALHOTSIE: SIMON de RAMSAY
  
• Alternate+Death+Date+and+Place: ABT 1190 in Scotland
  
• Birth: 1150 in Edinburgh, City of Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom at LATI: N5.95 LONG: E3.2
  
• Death: 1196 in Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom at LATI: N5.8667 LONG: E3.0833
  
• witness+to+a+charter,+in+the+reign+of+king+Malcolm,+wherein+William+de+Mor∣ville,+constable+of+Scotl: BEF 1165 with note: ECCO-TCP > Text Creation Partnership > RAMSAY Parl of DALHOTSIE: SIMON de RAMSAY
  
• FSID: M2ZP-KM7
  
• +witness+in+a+grant+of+the+church+of+Li∣vingston,+Page++107++in+West-Lothian,+by+Thurstanus+fi∣lius+: 1140 with note: ECCO-TCP > Text Creation Partnership > RAMSAY Parl of DALHOTSIE: SIMON de RAMSAY
  
• Alternate+birth+date: ABT 1120
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  geni.com
  Simon de Ramsay
  Birthdate: circa 1150
  Birthplace: Scotland
  Death: 1196 (41-50)
  Dalhousie midlothian, Scotland (United Kingdom)
  Immediate Family:
  Son of (No Name)
  Husband of (No Name)
  Father of William de Ramsay
  
  Of southern origin, the first of the name of Ramsay who appears on record in Scotland is Simon de Ramsay, who witnesses a charter of Turstan, the son of Levingus, granting to the monks of Holyrood the church of Livingston, dated before 1178, and he also witnessed a charter whereby William de Moreville, Constable of Scotland, between 1189 and 1196, confirmed the lands of Gillemmorestun, co Peebles, to Edulph, the son of Uthred (from whom they took the name of Eddleston). Scots Peerage, 3:87.
  
  === Of southern origin, the first of the nam ===
  Of southern origin, the first of the name of Ramsay who appears on record in Scotland is Simon de Ramsay, who witnesses a charter of Turstan, the son of Levingus, granting to the monks of Holyrood the church of Livingston, dated before 1178, and he also witnessed a charter whereby William de Moreville, Constable of Scotland, between 1189 and 1196, confirmed the lands of Gillemmorestun, co Peebles, to Edulph, the son of Uthred (from whom they took the name of Eddleston). [The Scots Peerage III:87]

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Simon de Ramsay -
   Author: The Scots Peerage; Sir James Balfour Paul {1904-1914, 2000 rev} with Addenda et Corrigenda {2000}, Page number: III:87
   Note: Source Media Type: Book
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2736741135
   
2. Title: WikiTree: Simon (Ramsay) of Ramsay (abt. 1120 - abt. 1190)
   Publication: Name: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ramsay-2097;
   Note: Simon of Ramsay formerly Ramsay Born about 1120 [location unknown] Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown] [sibling(s) unknown] [spouse(s) unknown] DESCENDANTS descendants Father of William Ramsay Died about 1190 in Scotland [uncertain] Profile managers: Scottish Clans Project WikiTree private message [send private message], Doug Straiton private message [send private message], and Linda Skov private message [send private message] Profile last modified 2 May 2018 | Created 29 Nov 2013 Biography According to Wikipedia, "In 1124, David of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon was accompanied by many young Norman noblemen. Amongst these nobles may have been Symon de Ramesie. Symon was granted lands in Midlothian from David and also witnessed an important charter to the monks of Holyrood Abbey in 1140." Caution is required with this statement. More accurately, Simon de Ramsay, presumed to have been of southern origin, is also noted in The Scots Peerage by Balfour Paul. There is a Simon de Ramsay, who witnesses a charter of Turstan, the son of Levingus, granting to the monks of Holyrood the church of Livingston, dated before 1178. A Simon de Ramsay also witnessed a charter whereby William de Moreville, Constable of Scotland, between 1189 and 1196, confirmed the lands of Gillemmorestun, co. Peebles, to Edulph, the son of Uthred (from whom they took the name of Eddleston). On the supposition this is the same person he is thus estimated to have been born c. 1120 and died c. 1190/5. Family There is no certainty regarding his children and much of what is available is supposition. However, Balfour Paul suggests he likely had a son: William Ramsay, who witnessed, in 1196, a charter by William the Lion to the Church of Coldingham. Sources Balfour Paul, Sir James. The Scots Peerage (David Douglas, Edinburgh, 1904-1914); in 9 Volumes. Vol 3 applies; see Ramsay, Earl of Dalhousie starting page 87 Footnotes ↑ Wikipedia cites a history of Clan Ramsay from the Clan History tab on Scot Clans and may not be accurate. ↑ Balfour Paul: Vol 3, Page 86 ↑ Balfour Paul: Vol 3, Page 86 ↑ Balfour Paul: Vol 3, Page 87 ↑ Balfour Paul: Vol 3, Page 87 Links Clan Ramsay on Wikipedia Notes By the 13th century there were five major branches of the Clan Ramsay: the Ramsays of Dalhousie, the Ramsays of Auchterhouse, the Ramsays of Banff, the Ramsay of Forfar and the Ramsays of Clatto. Acknowledgments Thanks to Linda Skov for starting this profile.
   
3. Title: ECCO-TCP > Text Creation Partnership > RAMSAY Parl of DALHOTSIE: SIMON de RAMSAY
   Author: The peerage of Scotland: containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom, ... collected from the public records, and ancient chartularies of this nation, ... Illustrated with copper-plates. By Robert Douglas, Esq;.
   Publication: Name: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004896980.0001.000/1:78?rgn=div1;view=fulltext;
   Note: RAMSAY Parl of DALHOTSIE, ANTIQUARIES do not exactly a∣gree about the origin of the illustri∣ous name of Ramsay. Some are of opinion, that it came origin∣ally from Germany, the armorial bearing be∣ing an eagle displayed. Others, with more probability, say, from England; that it is local, and was first assum∣ed from the lands and abbacy of Ramsay, in Nottinghame-shire, &c. Certain it is, the Ramsays were settled in this country as early as the reign of king Da∣vid I. who succeeded to the crown of Scot∣land, anno 1124.—And it appears, from Rymer's foedaera Angliae, and Prynne's collec∣tions, that there were many considerable fa∣milies in Scotland of that sirname, long be∣fore the reign of king Robert Bruce. It is evident also from our histories and re∣cords, that (besides the Ramsays in Mid-Lo∣thian) there were many eminent families of that sirname in Fife, Angus, and Perth-shire, in very early times, viz. the Ramsays of Co∣luthie, Carnock, Corston, Forthar, Parbroath, Auchterhouse, Balmain, Banff, and many o∣thers, some whereof have been hereditary sheriffs of Angus, sheriffs of Fife, Edinburgh, &c. and have enjoyed the highest offices in the state; but whether they are all descend∣ed from the Ramsays of Dalhousie, who are certainly the head or chief of the Ramsays in Midlothian, we shall not pretend to determine, but shall proceed to deduce the descent of this noble family by authentic documents, from I. SIMON de RAMSAY,* who flourished in the reign of king David I. and Malcom IV. and is witness in a grant of the church of Li∣vingston, Page 107 in West-Lothian, by Thurstanus fi∣lius Livingi, to the monastery of Holyrood∣house, anno 1140. He is also witness to a charter, in the reign of king Malcolm, wherein William de Mor∣ville, constable of Scotland,* grants the lands of Gilmorstoun in Mid-Lothian, Eudulpho fi∣lio Uthredi, &c. ante 1165, in which year king Malcolm died. He lived after the year 1170, and left issue a son, II. WILLIAM de RAMSAY, who succeed∣ed him.
   
4. Title: Geni: Simon de Ramsay
   Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Simon-de-Ramsay/6000000003828421037;
   Note: Simon de Ramsay Gender: Male Birth: circa 1150 Scotland Death: 1196 (42-50) Dalhousie midlothian, Scotland Immediate Family: Son of (No Name) Husband of (No Name) Father of William de Ramsay Added by: Justin Swanstrom on May 11, 2009 Managed by: Justin Swanstrom Of southern origin, the first of the name of Ramsay who appears on record in Scotland is Simon de Ramsay, who witnesses a charter of Turstan, the son of Levingus, granting to the monks of Holyrood the church of Livingston, dated before 1178, and he also witnessed a charter whereby William de Moreville, Constable of Scotland, between 1189 and 1196, confirmed the lands of Gillemmorestun, co Peebles, to Edulph, the son of Uthred (from whom they took the name of Eddleston). Scots Peerage, 3:87. Immediate Family Text ViewAdd Family Showing 3 people (No Name) wife William de Ramsay son (No Name) father
   
5. Title: "The Scots peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom," by Paul, James Balfour, Sir, 1846-1931
   Author: Publication date 1904-1914 Publisher Edinburgh : D. Douglas Contributor Robarts - University of Toronto Volume 3
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/scotspeeragefoun03pauluoft/page/n101;