Walter de Wahull III

• Preferred Name: Walter de Wahull III^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]}
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: LH9W-WTC
  
• Death: 1208 in Wahull Manor, Bedfordshire, England at LATI: N2.0242 LONG: E0.4125 with note: 88. WALTER20 WOODHULL (ROESIA19 DE CLARE, GILBERT18, GILBERT DE TONEBRUGH17, RICHARD FITZGILBERT DE TONEBRUGH16, GUNNORA15 D'ANJOU, FOULQUES III (FULK)14, GEOFFREY I GRISCONELLE13, FOULQUES II12, FOULQUES11, INGELER I10, PETRONILLE9 D'AUXERRE, HUGO8 ABBE, CHARLEMAGNE7, PEPIN6, CHARLES5 MARTEL, PEPIN4 D'HERISTAL, ANSIGISE3 MAYOR, ARNOLPH BISHOP OF2 METZ, AUSBERT1) was born 1169 in Wahull Manor, Bedford, England, and died 1208. He married ALBREDA TAILLEBOIS. She was born Abt. 1165 in Odell, Bedford, England. Child of WALTER WOODHULL and ALBREDA TAILLEBOIS is: 100. i. SAIHER21 DE WAHULL, b. 1200, Wahull Manor, Bedford, England; d. 1250.
  
• Birth: 1169 in Wahull Manor, Bedfordshire, England at LATI: N2.0242 LONG: E0.4125 with note: 88. WALTER20 WOODHULL (ROESIA19 DE CLARE, GILBERT18, GILBERT DE TONEBRUGH17, RICHARD FITZGILBERT DE TONEBRUGH16, GUNNORA15 D'ANJOU, FOULQUES III (FULK)14, GEOFFREY I GRISCONELLE13, FOULQUES II12, FOULQUES11, INGELER I10, PETRONILLE9 D'AUXERRE, HUGO8 ABBE, CHARLEMAGNE7, PEPIN6, CHARLES5 MARTEL, PEPIN4 D'HERISTAL, ANSIGISE3 MAYOR, ARNOLPH BISHOP OF2 METZ, AUSBERT1) was born 1169 in Wahull Manor, Bedford, England, and died 1208. He married ALBREDA TAILLEBOIS. She was born Abt. 1165 in Odell, Bedford, England. Child of WALTER WOODHULL and ALBREDA TAILLEBOIS is: 100. i. SAIHER21 DE WAHULL, b. 1200, Wahull Manor, Bedford, England; d. 1250.
  
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  === Life Sketch ===
  Walter had two wives, and with Roesia he had a son named Simon, whom became the next baron. After Simon died it passed to his son John who died young and without child. Then it went to his two sisters families and they all died. It then became Saher the brother of Simon to assume the responsibilty that came from Walters second wife Albreda.

1. Saher de Wahull, b. 1193 in Wahull Manor, Bedfordshire, England     d. 1250 in Odell, Bedfordshire, England

1. Title: Titles of honour. [With] Barons by tenure [and] Barons by writ
   Author: Barons by writ, chapter 21, page 33
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=T30IAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA33&lpg=RA1-PA33&dq=saher+de+wodhull&source=bl&ots=YsXsBhlA91&sig=Vv0kHIJ9WtkjHKfHV3MjmFjiqgs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1zXtVOuTKcKsyAStk4LYAQ&ved=0CDwQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=saher%20de%20wodhull&f=false;
   Note: Discusses information of the Wahull family starting with Walter de flanders or flemming...
   
2. Title: Odell Parish History of Woodhalls/Wahulls
   Author: BHO -British History Online
   Publication: Name: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/beds/vol3/pp69-76;
   Note: Describes in great detail the entire history of the Woodhalls
   
3. Title: Commemorative biographical record of the counties of Dutchess and ..., Volume 1
   Author: page 81-82
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=4skpAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=saher+de+wodhull&source=bl&ots=5XjmbFLgV5&sig=7lHJc0J_sysE5DYM5MOyoKBJRNg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KTXtVP_KLZWnyASws4GoDg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=saher%20de%20wodhull&f=false;
   Note: Discusses the known lines of Walter de Flander or Flemming and his generations that lead back to King Priam of Troy. Verified.
   
4. Title: Woodhull Genealogy: The Woodhull Family in England and America, with some errors by the author of family placement from Walter to Saher
   Author: starting on page 9 etc...
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=uQpgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=baron+walter+the+fleming+bedfordshire&source=bl&ots=TJKBqnlVN6&sig=0rBHornzeszV7dV2iz22WIrS58g&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EQD1VOTCGcrroASUkoHwDw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=baron%20walter%20the%20fleming%20bedfordshire&f=false;
   
5. Title: The Norman People and Their Existing Descendants in the British Dominions
   Author: page 145
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=BFxJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=baron+walter+the+fleming+bedfordshire&source=bl&ots=dsimwhfTIs&sig=aineb_LlzEdTe2OXBc40QVEqOhU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EQD1VOTCGcrroASUkoHwDw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=baron%20walter%20the%20fleming%20bedfordshire&f=false;
   
6. Title: Journals of the House of Lords, Volume 124, By Great Britain. Parliament. House of Lords
   Author: pages 194-200
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=Rss4AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA194&lpg=PA194&dq=saher+de+wodhull&source=bl&ots=7i5KZ8iXlw&sig=nyZaSvvkcO3R9kJ7_cejRwqnPpM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1zXtVOuTKcKsyAStk4LYAQ&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=saher%20de%20wodhull&f=false;
   Note: information on the journals that discuss the Wahull family from Walter de Flanders or Flemming on down to Saher de Wahull
   
7. Title: Honors and Knights' Fees: An Attempt to Identify the Component ..., Volume 2
   Author: pages 61-68 exclusive
   Publication: Name: https://books.google.com/books?id=3GO7AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=saher+de+wodhull&source=bl&ots=cpWpsHyVS3&sig=JxabO2bgLUJ2g6atmdW9_dfTi7o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1zXtVOuTKcKsyAStk4LYAQ&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=saher%20de%20wodhull&f=false;
   Note: Gives much information from Walter de Flanders or Flemming down to Saher de Wahull.
   
8. Title: The Barony of Odell
   Author: Bedford Borough Council
   Publication: Name: http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/ArchivesAndRecordOffice/CommunityArchives/Odell/TheBaronyOfOdell.aspx;
   Note: The medieval Barony of Odell sprang from Walter of Flanders' manor recorded by Domesday Book of 1086. Walter held fifty and a half hides in Bedfordshire (in Odell, Astwick, Biggleswade, Henlow, Langford, Milton Ernest, Podington, Southill, Thurleigh, Totternhoe, Turvey and Wymington) as well as forty four in Northamptonshire, 6 hides, one and a half virgates in Hertfordshire and one hide, one virgate in Buckinghamshire. It was the responsibility of the Baron (the Baron de Wahull as he was known at this date) to provide the guards for the castle of Rockingham in Northamptonshire, in common with the Baron of Warden in Northamptonshire and Peterborough Abbey. Walter the Fleming was succeeded by his son Walter and the title can be traced as follows: Walter the Fleming; Walter de Wahull, son of Walter the Fleming; Simon de Wahull, son of Walter - flourished around the middle of the 12th century; Walter de Wahull son of Simon, Baron by 1160 and until at least 1172; Simon de Wahull, son of Walter - died before 1197; John de Wahull, son of Simon - a minor until at least 1206; died about 1217; Rose, wife of Robert Lisle and Agnes, wife of Robert Basingham (later William Fitz Warine), sisters of John; Rose died in 1222 without issue, leaving Agnes Baroness in her own right, she died in 1238; John de Basingham, son of Agnes - died 1239; Saher de Wahull, son of Walter and brother of the Simon who died before 1197 - he died in 1250; Walter de Wahull, son of Saher - born 1227, died before 1269; John de Wahull, son of Walter - died 1296; Thomas de Wahull, son of John - died 1303; John de Wahull, son of Thomas - born 1302, died 1336; John de Wahull, son of John - born about 1320, died 1348; John de Wahull, son of John - a minor on succeeding to the title, died 1367; Elizabeth and Eleanor de Wahull, daughters of John - born 1364 and 1365 respectively, both died 1376; Nicholas de Wahull, son of the John who died in 1348 - he died in 1410; Thomas de Wahull, son of Nicholas - born about 1387, died in 1421; Thomas de Wahull, son of Thomas - died in 1441; John de Wahull, son of Thomas - born 1436, died in 1490; Fulk de Wahull, son of John - died in 1511; Nicholas de Wahull, son of Fulk - died in 1531; Anthony de Wahull, son of Nicholas - died in 1542; Agnes de Wahull - born seventeen days before her father's death; she married Richard Chetwood who died in 1560 and then Sir George Calvely; Agnes died in 1576; Richard Chetwood, son of Agnes de Wahull and Richard Chetwode - a minor on succeeding his mother, he alienated his Bedfordshire property to the Alston family in 1633 and died in 1635. Chetwood coat of arms Chetwood coat of arms At this point the barony became extinct, although Richard the last baron's great-great-grandson Knightley Chetwood claimed the title in 1739. His petition was referred to the Attorney General but nothing further came of it. His grandson Jonathan Chetwood raised the case again in 1831. The Attorney General advised referring the matter to the House of Lords' Committee for Privileges which took place in 1833. Jonathan died in 1839 without ever successfully prosecuting his claim. This long-running saga had a further round when Constantia Elizabeth Chetwood-Aiken, great-great-granddaughter of Knightley Chetwood petitioned Queen Victoria in 1890. Again the matter was referred to the Committee for Privileges and again the claimant died, in 1892, before successfully prosecuting the claim. Her son John Chetwood Chetwood-Aiken then preferred the claim, claiming unbroken descent from Saher de Wahull but was disappointed when it was ruled that the right to a peerage depended on being called to parliament and sitting there - neither of which had happened to the de Wahulls and their successors. The medieval Barony was created to ensure military service rather than for any legislative function and so was not considered a true peerage.
   
9. Title: Sources and info for Walter de Wahull, son of Simon de Wahull
   Author: BIBLIOGRAPHY: Hansen, Charles M, Barons of Wodhull with observations on the ancestry of George Elkington, emigrant to New Jersey, The Genealogist 7-8,1 (1986). NYPL APA 82-1000. Hansen, Charles M, The Barons of Wodhull: Some Additions, The Genealogist 10,2 (1989). NYPL APA 82-1000. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
   Note: RESEARCH NOTES: inherited Barony of Odell from father [Ref: Sanders Baronies p69] abt 1143: Theobald, Archbishop of Canterbury, sent a letter commanding Robert Foliot, Walter de Wahille, and others to desist from their depredations upon the Abbey of Ramsey [Ref: Hansen Wodhull p7] by 1153: succeeded father [Ref: Hansen Wodhull p7] 1153: released claim to the manors of Marston St Lawrence and Warkworth to Ranulf, Earl of Chester [Ref: Hansen Wodhull p7] 1162: assessed scutage of 20 pounds for the fees of 30 knights at one mark per fee for the campaign in Toulouse, of which he was excused payment of one pount [Ref: Hansen Wodhull p7] 1166: answered for 27 knights de veteri and for 3 on domain, and said that he owed the service of 30 knights [Ref: Sanders Baronies p69(2)] 1166: his return to the king stated: I report to you that my father and I had on the day and in the year King Henry lived and died 27 knights fees of old enfeoffment and 3 made up from my demesne. And of these knights' fees, Hugh de Lega holds 10 knights' fees; Simon son of Peter, half a knight; Simon malesources jr, 2 knights; Simon Malesourtes sr, 2 knights; Robert Butevileyn, 2 knights; Roger Foliot, 3 knights; Richard Gubion, 1 knight; William de Plumpton, half a knight; Stephen de Welton, 3 knights; Turgis the clerk of Pateshull, one-fifth a knight; Ernulf de Pateshull, one-fifth a knight; Baldwin son of Richard, one-fourth a knight; William Rispald, one-tenth a knight; Robert Cousin (Cognatus), half a knight; William de Calton, half a knight; Alan Caperun, one-fourth a knight; Ralph Fretecoke and his brother, one-third a knight; William de Patemere, one-fourth a knight; Hugh son of Reginald, 1 knight. And from my demesne, to make up the total of 30 knights I owe to you, I owe to you the service of 3 knights. And from this demesne, I have enfeoffed since the death of King Henry a knight and a half, namely: William de Baretin (Parentin), William son of Baldwin, William de Peri, and Ralph son of Roger, half a knight; and Stephen de Scalers, 1 knight's fee. [Ref: Hansen Wodhull p7]
   
10. Title: Geni
    Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Walter-de-Wahull-II/6000000003036775278;