Betrade de Gometz

• Preferred Name: Betrade de Gometz^{[1] [2] [3]}
  
• Alternate Name: Amauri de Montfort
  
• Gender: F
  
• Birth: ABT 1001
  
• Fact: with note: Description: https://www.geni.com/people/Bertrada-de-Gometz/6000000000124082015?through=6000000000124012386
  
• Burial: 1051 in Épernon, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France at LATI: N8.6099 LONG: E0.6723
  
• Death: 1051 in Epernon, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France at LATI: N8.6099 LONG: E0.6723 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• FSID: MDWC-L73
  
• AFN: with note: Description: 9HMR-H2
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  READ BEFORE ATTACHING PARENTS!
  Baldwin and Farmerie's website explains: [2]
  "Supposed father (improbable): Guillaume de Gometz, fl. 1043-1071, m. Alberade."
  "[RFC2, 68 (line 90)] An otherwise unidentified Guillaume de Gometz appears frequently on websites as the supposed father of Bertrade, but without any clear documentation in primary sources. The earliest known Guillaume de Gometz would appear to be the Guillaume de Gometz who appears for the first time on 20 May 1043 witnessing a charter of king Henri I of France ["Signum Guilelmi Comitis de Goms" RHF 11: 578 (#12)]. He also appears as a witness for Philippe I on 29 May 1067 ["Willelmus de Gomethiaco" Rec. actes Philippe I, 94 (#30)], again in 1067 ["Guillelmus Giometensis castri" Rec. actes Philippe I, 98 (#32)], and on 2 November 1071 ["Willelmi de Gumetho" Rec. actes Philippe I, 160 (#60)]. He had a son of the same name, who had only recently attained majority on 16 May 1081 ["... quoniam junior Willelmus, predecessoris sui, eodem vocabulo nuncupati, heres legitime ut filius, eo anno quo de potestate et custodia Hervei de Montemorentiaco, sub cujus bajulatione parvulus fuerat, exiit, ... ipse supramemoratus Willelmus pro patris ac matris suique anima libentissime concessit, suasque culturas dominicas, sicut mater sua, nomine Albereda, pro anima patris sui Willelmi ... MLXXXI, xvij kal. junii ..." Charte Gometz, 356-7]. Thus, it seems clear that the elder Guillaume de Gometz was not in a generation early enough to be the father of Geoffroy and Bertrade. Nor does Geoffroy de Gometz appear to have been the father of Guillaume de Gometz, who does not appear among Geoffroy's sons in the above charter. Most likely they were collateral relatives, as suggested by Moutie [Moutie (1876), 2: 25-6]. While it is impossible to rule out the possibility that Geoffroy and Bertrade were indeed children of some different Guillaume de Gometz, the name does not appear to have any good basis, and cannot be accepted in the absence of evidence. The elder Guillaume de Gometz has also often been stated to have been the father of Hodierne, wife of Guy de Montlhéry, but Moutie has argued that she was more likely to be a sister [Moutie (1876), 2: 12 n. 2, 25]."
  
  Le Cartulaire du Prieuré de Notre-Dame de Longpont de l'Ordre de Cluny au Diocèse de Paris
  by Longpont-sous-Montlhéry (Abbey)
  
  Page 10.
  
  https://archive.org/details/lecartulairedupr00long/page/10/mode/2up?q=bertrade
  
  === 1 NAME /Berteis/
  2 SURN Berteis
  1 _FS ===
  1 NAME /Berteis/
  2 SURN Berteis
  1 _FSFTID LZ8X-S4N
  
  Children
  Simon I Seigneur de Montfort b: ABT 1030 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Eva de Montfort b: ABT 1045 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Sources:
  
  AFN: 9HMR-H2
  
  Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com Page: Leo van de Pas, 3 Jan 1999
  
  Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 Page: VII:Appendix D:708
  
  Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968 Page: 230 Text: fl. c1053
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.29; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === !from Michael J. Raffin !"Royalty for Co ===
  !from Michael J. Raffin !"Royalty for Commoners" by Roderick W. Stuart, second edition
  
  === 1. Source: "Ancestry of Roger Ludlow" b ===
  1. Source: "Ancestry of Roger Ludlow" by Seversmith, pp. 2,509-10. 2. "Is said to have married Bertrada", so her name is listed as "(Bertrada)".
  
  === Children
  Simon I Seigneur de Montfort b: ===
  Children
  Simon I Seigneur de Montfort b: ABT 1030 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Eva de Montfort b: ABT 1045 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Sources:
  
  AFN: 9HMR-H2
  
  Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com Page: Leo van de Pas, 3 Jan 1999
  
  Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 Page: VII:Appendix D:708
  
  Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968 Page: 230 Text: fl. c1053
  
  === vielleicht Schwester von Gottfried von G ===
  vielleicht Schwester von Gottfried von Gommetz
  
  === !#21> Complete Peerage-v7apndx(D)-p708,7 ===
  !#21> Complete Peerage-v7apndx(D)-p708,709ped, (FHL 942 D22cok); !AF: BAPT-END-SS> AFN:9HMRH2;
  
  === ! Europaasche Stammtafelen neue folge vo ===
  ! Europaasche Stammtafelen neue folge vol 3 tafel 642;
  
  === !Royal Ancestors ===
  !Royal Ancestors
  
  === Sources: Norr; RC 90; AF; Kraentzler 115 ===
  Sources: Norr; RC 90; AF; Kraentzler 1153, 1347; Ayers, p639. RC: Bertrade de Gometz. K: Bertha de Gommetz. Ayers: Bertrade.
  
  === ch. known ===
  ch. known
  === Life Sketch ===
  READ BEFORE ATTACHING PARENTS!
  Baldwin and Farmerie's website explains: [2]
  "Supposed father (improbable): Guillaume de Gometz, fl. 1043-1071, m. Alberade."
  "[RFC2, 68 (line 90)] An otherwise unidentified Guillaume de Gometz appears frequently on websites as the supposed father of Bertrade, but without any clear documentation in primary sources. The earliest known Guillaume de Gometz would appear to be the Guillaume de Gometz who appears for the first time on 20 May 1043 witnessing a charter of king Henri I of France ["Signum Guilelmi Comitis de Goms" RHF 11: 578 (#12)]. He also appears as a witness for Philippe I on 29 May 1067 ["Willelmus de Gomethiaco" Rec. actes Philippe I, 94 (#30)], again in 1067 ["Guillelmus Giometensis castri" Rec. actes Philippe I, 98 (#32)], and on 2 November 1071 ["Willelmi de Gumetho" Rec. actes Philippe I, 160 (#60)]. He had a son of the same name, who had only recently attained majority on 16 May 1081 ["... quoniam junior Willelmus, predecessoris sui, eodem vocabulo nuncupati, heres legitime ut filius, eo anno quo de potestate et custodia Hervei de Montemorentiaco, sub cujus bajulatione parvulus fuerat, exiit, ... ipse supramemoratus Willelmus pro patris ac matris suique anima libentissime concessit, suasque culturas dominicas, sicut mater sua, nomine Albereda, pro anima patris sui Willelmi ... MLXXXI, xvij kal. junii ..." Charte Gometz, 356-7]. Thus, it seems clear that the elder Guillaume de Gometz was not in a generation early enough to be the father of Geoffroy and Bertrade. Nor does Geoffroy de Gometz appear to have been the father of Guillaume de Gometz, who does not appear among Geoffroy's sons in the above charter. Most likely they were collateral relatives, as suggested by Moutie [Moutie (1876), 2: 25-6]. While it is impossible to rule out the possibility that Geoffroy and Bertrade were indeed children of some different Guillaume de Gometz, the name does not appear to have any good basis, and cannot be accepted in the absence of evidence. The elder Guillaume de Gometz has also often been stated to have been the father of Hodierne, wife of Guy de Montlhéry, but Moutie has argued that she was more likely to be a sister [Moutie (1876), 2: 12 n. 2, 25]."
  
  Le Cartulaire du Prieuré de Notre-Dame de Longpont de l'Ordre de Cluny au Diocèse de Paris
  by Longpont-sous-Montlhéry (Abbey)
  
  Page 10.
  
  https://archive.org/details/lecartulairedupr00long/page/10/mode/2up?q=bertrade
  
  === vielleicht Schwester von Gottfried von G ===
  vielleicht Schwester von Gottfried von Gommetz
  
  === !Royal Ancestors ===
  !Royal Ancestors
  
  === ch. known ===
  ch. known
  
  === Children
  Simon I Seigneur de Montfort b: ===
  Children
  Simon I Seigneur de Montfort b: ABT 1030 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Eva de Montfort b: ABT 1045 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Sources:
  
  AFN: 9HMR-H2
  
  Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com Page: Leo van de Pas, 3 Jan 1999
  
  Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 Page: VII:Appendix D:708
  
  Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968 Page: 230 Text: fl. c1053
  
  === ! Europaasche Stammtafelen neue folge vo ===
  ! Europaasche Stammtafelen neue folge vol 3 tafel 642;
  
  === Sources: Norr; RC 90; AF; Kraentzler 115 ===
  Sources: Norr; RC 90; AF; Kraentzler 1153, 1347; Ayers, p639. RC: Bertrade de Gometz. K: Bertha de Gommetz. Ayers: Bertrade.
  
  === !from Michael J. Raffin !"Royalty for Co ===
  !from Michael J. Raffin !"Royalty for Commoners" by Roderick W. Stuart, second edition
  
  === !#21> Complete Peerage-v7apndx(D)-p708,7 ===
  !#21> Complete Peerage-v7apndx(D)-p708,709ped, (FHL 942 D22cok); !AF: BAPT-END-SS> AFN:9HMRH2;
  
  === 1. Source: "Ancestry of Roger Ludlow" b ===
  1. Source: "Ancestry of Roger Ludlow" by Seversmith, pp. 2,509-10. 2. "Is said to have married Bertrada", so her name is listed as "(Bertrada)".
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.29; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === 1 NAME /Berteis/
  2 SURN Berteis
  1 _FS ===
  1 NAME /Berteis/
  2 SURN Berteis
  1 _FSFTID LZ8X-S4N
  
  Children
  Simon I Seigneur de Montfort b: ABT 1030 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Eva de Montfort b: ABT 1045 in Montfort-l'Amaury, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France
  Sources:
  
  AFN: 9HMR-H2
  
  Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com Page: Leo van de Pas, 3 Jan 1999
  
  Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 Page: VII:Appendix D:708
  
  Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968 Page: 230 Text: fl. c1053

• m. 1022 in France
• m. ABT 1022 in Île-de-France, France
• m. 1019 in Île-De-France, France

1. Simon de Montfort I, b. ABT 1025 in Montfort, Normandy, France     d. 25 SEP 1087 in Epernon, Normandie, France
2. Eve de Montfort, b. 1023 in Aquitaine, France     d. 23 JAN 1099 in Le Bec-Hellouin, Eure, Upper Normandy, France

1. Title: SULPICE . The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence
   Page: France, Northwest & Central - Paris Region, Nobility, p. 53: AMAURY de Montfort (-after Apr 1052). An apparently incomplete fragmentary passage of the mid-12th century continuation of the Historia of Monk Aimon records that, during the reign of Robert II King of France, [name omitted] was granted “Benia” taken from “dominio Sancti Germani”, fortified "Sparnonem et Montifortem", married "de Novigento dominam" by whom he fathered "unum filium...Almaricum", who in turn was father of "duos filios...Simonem et Almaricum", Simon being the father of “Almaricum de Monteforti et Bertrandam comitissam Andegavensem”[442]. “Comes Ivo de Bello monte, Ebo miles, Guarinus miles Parisius, Almaricus miles de Monteforte” witnessed the charter dated 1022 under which Robert II King of France confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Saint-Mesmin de Micy[443]. “…Almarici de Monteforti…” witnessed the charter dated 1028 under which Robert II King of France confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Saint-Mesmin de Micy[444]. Robert II King of France confirmed the donation of "Manasses comes" to Chartres Notre-Dame by charter dated 4 Feb 1031, signed by "…Manasses comitis, Hilduini comitis fratris eius, filorum eius Manassis et Hilduini, Burcardo de Montemorenciaco, Evrardi filii Hilduini de Britoglio, Amalrici de Monteforti, Milonis de Caprosa…"[445]. He began the building of the castle of Montfort l'Amaury, which was finished by his son[446]. Orderic Vitalis records that Henri I King of France visited Fécamp, dated to [1032], on the advice of "Amalrici senioris de Monte-Forti, filii Guillelmi Hanoensis"[447]. "Ivo de Curba villa" dedicated "ecclesiæ Sanctorum Martyrum Gervasii et Protasii Cheonis" by charter dated to [1048/61], witnessed by “...Amalricus de Sparnoto, Simon et Mainerius filii eius...”[448]. "Amalricus miles" founded the priory of Saint-Thomas d’Epernon, with the consent of "conjugis mee…Bertredis…et filiorum meorum…Simonis…atque Mainerii", by charter dated [11 Apr 1052/Jul 1053][449]. m BERTRADE, daughter of --- (-after Apr 1052). "Amalricus miles" founded the priory of Saint-Thomas d’Epernon, with the consent of "conjugis mee…Bertredis…et filiorum meorum…Simonis…atque Mainerii", by charter dated [11 Apr 1052/Jul 1053][450].
   
2. Title: Bertrade de Gometz Montfort
   Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPH2-Z3GF : 10 September 2021), Bertrade de Gometz Montfort, ; Burial, Epernon, Departement d'Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France, Prieure Saint-Thomas; citing record ID 189378483, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
   Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPH2-Z3GF;
   
3. Title: Le Cartulaire du Prieuré de Notre-Dame de Longpont de l'Ordre de Cluny au Diocèse de Paris by Longpont-sous-Montlhéry (Abbey)
   Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/lecartulairedupr00long/page/10/mode/2up?q=bertrade;