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Tangwystl ferch Llywarch Goch
- Preferred Name: Tangwystl ferch Llywarch Goch[1]
- Alternate Name: verch Llywarch Goch
- Gender: F
- FSID: 937D-T35
- LdsBaptism: 11 NOV 1913 with note: GEDCOM data
- LdsEndowment: 7 MAY 1914 with note: GEDCOM data
- Had+children+with.: BEF 1200 with note: GEDCOM data
- Death: 30 MAR 1226 in Anglesey, Anglesey, Wales, United Kingdom at LATI: N3.2628 LONG: E4.314
- Nickname:
- Fact: with note: Description: https://www.geni.com/people/Tangwystl-verch-Llywarch-Goch/6000000007455717347
- LdsSealingToParents: 23 AUG 1960 with note: GEDCOM data
- Birth: 1164 in Denbighshire, Wales at LATI: N3.1847 LONG: E3.4228
- Alt. Burial: 1226 in Llan-Faes, Isle of Anglesey, Wales at LATI: N3.2756 LONG: E4.105
- Burial: ABT 1198 in Llanfaes, Anglesey, Wales at LATI: N3.2756 LONG: E4.105
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Birth and Parents
Bartrum shows Tangwystl as the daugther of Llywarch Goch and Tangwystl ferch Llywarch.[1] Goch is the Welsh word for "red".
Warrington notes that Llywarch Goch, was Lord of Rhos [3] and other writers have suggested that for this reason, Rhos may be counted as Tangwystl's birth place. Weis also describexs Tangwystl Goch Verch Llywarch, Of Rhos as the daughter of Llywarch the Red of Rhos by Weis. [4]
1180 Birth Year Estimation
Charles Cawley notes that Llywelyn, whose mistress Tangwystl became, was born in 1173, and that Tangwystl was probably born after that date.[5]
Wolcott observed that Tangwystl was born about 1180, the daughter of Llywarch Goch ap Iorwerth ap Cynan ap Llywarch Goch ap Llywarch Hwlbwrch. [6]
Tangwystl and Llywelyn had a son Gruffydd. Cawley estimates that Gruffydd was probably born before the 1205 wedding of Llywelyn and Joan. [5] Cawley believes there may have been a wife prior to Joan. If Gruffydd's conception took place in 1204, and Tangwystl was 18 at the time, her birth year would have been 1186. If Tangwystl was 15 at the time, a not uncommon occurrance, her birth year might have been 1189.
However, Tangwystl's mother is shown as dying in 1182, and that is the year selected as her estimated birth year.
1195 Tangwystl's union with Llywelyn
The first mystress of Llywelyn the Great was Tangwystl, daughter of Llywarch "Goch" of Rhos and his wife. [5]
Tangwystl Goch ferch Llywarch Goch ap Iorwerth ap Cynan ap Llywarch Howlbwrch was the mistress of Llywelyn ab Iorwerth. [7] Boyer follows Bartrum, who noted that Tangwystl was the mistress of Llywelyn the Great and mother of his son Gruffudd and daughters Gwladus Ddu and Gwenllian, and possibly also Margred and Ellen.[8]
Cawley notes that Tangwystl, the daughter of llywarch "Goch" of Rhos and his wife [5] was the first of several mistresses of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth.
With Tangwystgil 1194-1198. Concubine. Tangwystgl means “pledge of peace.” Died after a fall brought on premature childbirth.[9]
While most writers assert that Tangwystl was one of several mistresses of Llywelyn, writing in 1823, William Warrington believed that Tangwystl and Llywelyn were married. Prince Llewelyn, in his youth, had married Tangwystl, daughter of Llywarch Goch the lord of Rhos." [3]
1201 Death of Tangwystl
Tangystl died Between 1201 and 1209 [11]
One writer indicates that she bled to death after a fall brought on premature childbirth. [10]
Issue
Some sources state that Tangwystl was the mother of most of Llywelyn's illegitimate children. Cawley in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, however, believes she is only the mother of one child, Gruffydd. [5]
Gruffydd (before 1205-Tower of London 1 Mar 1244). Called "frater primogenitus" of David by Matthew of Paris, when he records that Gruffydd consented to his brother's succession on the death of their father[293]. Lord of Lleyn. He was captured and imprisoned in the Tower of London, dying in an escape attempt[294]. [5]
Boyer, following Bartrum, names two children of Tangwystl and Llywelyn:
Gruffudd, oldest son, d. 1 March 1244 while trying to escape the Tower of London; m. (1) Senena fech Caradog, m. (2) Rhanullt ferch Rheinallt, King of Man, m. (3) Catrin ferch Cynehwr of Ireland. [7]
Gladyts Ddu, d. Windsor 1251; m (1) Reynold (for Reginald) de Braiose, swho d. 9 June 1228; m. (2) 1230 Ralph de Mortimer.[7]
Bartrum himself gives a longer list: Tangwystl, the mistress of Llywelyn the Great, was the mother of his son Gruffudd . She was also the mother of the following daughters:
Gwladus Ddu
Gwenllian,
Margred
Ellen.[12]
Boyer lists an additional daughter:
Senana (perhaps) of Man, but not listed by Bartrum). See Weis, where the presentation is confusing. [7]
Issue of Tangwystl and Llewlyn the Great:[1]
Gruffydd ap Llywelyn[2] (c.1196-1244) m. Senena (dau. of Caradoc ap Thomas of Anglesey). Gruffydd had four sons including Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, who for a period occupied a position in Wales comparable to that of his grandfather, and Dafydd ap Gruffydd who ruled Gwynedd briefly after his brother's death. n"By Tangwystl Llewelyn had a son, very brave, called Gryffydd ap Llewelyn; who, as heir apparent, had the Cantrevs of Englefield, Rhos, Rhyvonioc, and Dyffryn Clwyd given him by his father, being the country adjoining to England; in order that the young prince might be induced, by a closer motive of interest, to defend his own territories, from the common enemy the English. He married, during his father’s life, Sina daughter of Caradoc ap Thomas."[3]
Gruffydd ap Llywelyn[3] (c.1196-1244)[13] m. Senena[14] Issue.[15]
Cawley names several other illegitimate children of LLywelyn who are sometimes thought to be the children of Tangwystl, but whom Cawley believes were the children of up to six other mistresses whose names have become lost. [5]
Sources
The Bartrum Project (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum)
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 v ols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol V, p 298 WALES #6
Citations
↑ Llywarch Howlbwrch 1, Llywarch ap Bran 1 (#Bartrum)
↑ Sharon Kay Penman "Falls the Shadow", p. 136. Cited by Kinship Tree.
↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 William I. Warrington, The History of Wales in Nine Books with an Appendix, By the author, 4ed. (Brecon: 1823), Vol.2, Book VII, pp 16-17. accessed February 16, 2016)
↑ Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1760, (7th ed Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore 1992), line 260, line 176 p 151
↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6 Charles Cawley, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database.Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Accessed February 16, 2016
↑ Darrell Wolcott, Ancient Wales Studies, Llywarch Hwlbwrch Llywarch Hwlbwrch is #11. Accessed February 19, 2016
↑ 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 Carl Boyer, Jr. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. LLywelyn ab Iorwerth is #36 on page 300.
↑ Gruffudd ap Cynan 4 (#Bartrum)
↑ http://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I41209&tree=1 Citing (1) Genealogical History of the House of Gwysaney, John Bernard Burke, (London, 1847), Anhang . (2) University of Hull Royal Database (3) Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who came to America before 1760, Frederick Lewis Weis. (7th ed Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore, 1992. Line 260. P. 151. (4) Familiesarchief Weebers, A. A. M en W. Th. M. Weebers (ppgreswteldca, 1920-1930 (5) Falls the Shadow, Sharon Kay Penman.
↑ 10.0 10.1 Kinship Tree. Anonymous Web Site http://kinshiptree.com/getperson.php?personID=I74453&tree=kinshiptree
↑ Historical novelist Sharon Kay Penman "Falls the Shadow" p. 31, gives death date of Aug. 1201. Other secondary sources give later dates up to 1209 Cited by Kinship Tree
↑ Gruffudd ap Cynan 4 (#Bartrum)
↑ Llywelyn's eldest son
↑ dau. of Caradoc ap Thomas of Anglesey.
↑ 4 sons including Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, who for a period occupied a position in Wales comparable to that of his grandfather, and Dafydd ap Gruffydd who ruled Gwynedd briefly after his brother's death.
↑ 16.0 16.1 Peter Cotgreave. The barony of Malpas in the twelfth century. Transactions, Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, 2008, 157.2. page 15-16.
Source : https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ferch_Llywarch-3
=== REFN: HWS8426 ===
REFN: HWS8426
Ancestral File Number: 91QG-KH
Ancestral File Number: 91QG-KH
=== Life Sketch ===
Birth and Parents
Bartrum shows Tangwystl as the daugther of Llywarch Goch and Tangwystl ferch Llywarch.[1] Goch is the Welsh word for "red".
Warrington notes that Llywarch Goch, was Lord of Rhos [3] and other writers have suggested that for this reason, Rhos may be counted as Tangwystl's birth place. Weis also describexs Tangwystl Goch Verch Llywarch, Of Rhos as the daughter of Llywarch the Red of Rhos by Weis. [4]
1180 Birth Year Estimation
Charles Cawley notes that Llywelyn, whose mistress Tangwystl became, was born in 1173, and that Tangwystl was probably born after that date.[5]
Wolcott observed that Tangwystl was born about 1180, the daughter of Llywarch Goch ap Iorwerth ap Cynan ap Llywarch Goch ap Llywarch Hwlbwrch. [6]
Tangwystl and Llywelyn had a son Gruffydd. Cawley estimates that Gruffydd was probably born before the 1205 wedding of Llywelyn and Joan. [5] Cawley believes there may have been a wife prior to Joan. If Gruffydd's conception took place in 1204, and Tangwystl was 18 at the time, her birth year would have been 1186. If Tangwystl was 15 at the time, a not uncommon occurrance, her birth year might have been 1189.
However, Tangwystl's mother is shown as dying in 1182, and that is the year selected as her estimated birth year.
1195 Tangwystl's union with Llywelyn
The first mystress of Llywelyn the Great was Tangwystl, daughter of Llywarch "Goch" of Rhos and his wife. [5]
Tangwystl Goch ferch Llywarch Goch ap Iorwerth ap Cynan ap Llywarch Howlbwrch was the mistress of Llywelyn ab Iorwerth. [7] Boyer follows Bartrum, who noted that Tangwystl was the mistress of Llywelyn the Great and mother of his son Gruffudd and daughters Gwladus Ddu and Gwenllian, and possibly also Margred and Ellen.[8]
Cawley notes that Tangwystl, the daughter of llywarch "Goch" of Rhos and his wife [5] was the first of several mistresses of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth.
With Tangwystgil 1194-1198. Concubine. Tangwystgl means “pledge of peace.” Died after a fall brought on premature childbirth.[9]
While most writers assert that Tangwystl was one of several mistresses of Llywelyn, writing in 1823, William Warrington believed that Tangwystl and Llywelyn were married. Prince Llewelyn, in his youth, had married Tangwystl, daughter of Llywarch Goch the lord of Rhos." [3]
1201 Death of Tangwystl
Tangystl died Between 1201 and 1209 [11]
One writer indicates that she bled to death after a fall brought on premature childbirth. [10]
Issue
Some sources state that Tangwystl was the mother of most of Llywelyn's illegitimate children. Cawley in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, however, believes she is only the mother of one child, Gruffydd. [5]
Gruffydd (before 1205-Tower of London 1 Mar 1244). Called "frater primogenitus" of David by Matthew of Paris, when he records that Gruffydd consented to his brother's succession on the death of their father[293]. Lord of Lleyn. He was captured and imprisoned in the Tower of London, dying in an escape attempt[294]. [5]
Boyer, following Bartrum, names two children of Tangwystl and Llywelyn:
Gruffudd, oldest son, d. 1 March 1244 while trying to escape the Tower of London; m. (1) Senena fech Caradog, m. (2) Rhanullt ferch Rheinallt, King of Man, m. (3) Catrin ferch Cynehwr of Ireland. [7]
Gladyts Ddu, d. Windsor 1251; m (1) Reynold (for Reginald) de Braiose, swho d. 9 June 1228; m. (2) 1230 Ralph de Mortimer.[7]
Bartrum himself gives a longer list: Tangwystl, the mistress of Llywelyn the Great, was the mother of his son Gruffudd . She was also the mother of the following daughters:
Gwladus Ddu
Gwenllian,
Margred
Ellen.[12]
Boyer lists an additional daughter:
Senana (perhaps) of Man, but not listed by Bartrum). See Weis, where the presentation is confusing. [7]
Issue of Tangwystl and Llewlyn the Great:[1]
Gruffydd ap Llywelyn[2] (c.1196-1244) m. Senena (dau. of Caradoc ap Thomas of Anglesey). Gruffydd had four sons including Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, who for a period occupied a position in Wales comparable to that of his grandfather, and Dafydd ap Gruffydd who ruled Gwynedd briefly after his brother's death. n"By Tangwystl Llewelyn had a son, very brave, called Gryffydd ap Llewelyn; who, as heir apparent, had the Cantrevs of Englefield, Rhos, Rhyvonioc, and Dyffryn Clwyd given him by his father, being the country adjoining to England; in order that the young prince might be induced, by a closer motive of interest, to defend his own territories, from the common enemy the English. He married, during his father’s life, Sina daughter of Caradoc ap Thomas."[3]
Gruffydd ap Llywelyn[3] (c.1196-1244)[13] m. Senena[14] Issue.[15]
Cawley names several other illegitimate children of LLywelyn who are sometimes thought to be the children of Tangwystl, but whom Cawley believes were the children of up to six other mistresses whose names have become lost. [5]
Sources
The Bartrum Project (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum)
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 v ols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol V, p 298 WALES #6
Citations
↑ Llywarch Howlbwrch 1, Llywarch ap Bran 1 (#Bartrum)
↑ Sharon Kay Penman "Falls the Shadow", p. 136. Cited by Kinship Tree.
↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 William I. Warrington, The History of Wales in Nine Books with an Appendix, By the author, 4ed. (Brecon: 1823), Vol.2, Book VII, pp 16-17. accessed February 16, 2016)
↑ Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1760, (7th ed Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore 1992), line 260, line 176 p 151
↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6 Charles Cawley, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database.Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Accessed February 16, 2016
↑ Darrell Wolcott, Ancient Wales Studies, Llywarch Hwlbwrch Llywarch Hwlbwrch is #11. Accessed February 19, 2016
↑ 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 Carl Boyer, Jr. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. LLywelyn ab Iorwerth is #36 on page 300.
↑ Gruffudd ap Cynan 4 (#Bartrum)
↑ http://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I41209&tree=1 Citing (1) Genealogical History of the House of Gwysaney, John Bernard Burke, (London, 1847), Anhang . (2) University of Hull Royal Database (3) Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who came to America before 1760, Frederick Lewis Weis. (7th ed Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore, 1992. Line 260. P. 151. (4) Familiesarchief Weebers, A. A. M en W. Th. M. Weebers (ppgreswteldca, 1920-1930 (5) Falls the Shadow, Sharon Kay Penman.
↑ 10.0 10.1 Kinship Tree. Anonymous Web Site http://kinshiptree.com/getperson.php?personID=I74453&tree=kinshiptree
↑ Historical novelist Sharon Kay Penman "Falls the Shadow" p. 31, gives death date of Aug. 1201. Other secondary sources give later dates up to 1209 Cited by Kinship Tree
↑ Gruffudd ap Cynan 4 (#Bartrum)
↑ Llywelyn's eldest son
↑ dau. of Caradoc ap Thomas of Anglesey.
↑ 4 sons including Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, who for a period occupied a position in Wales comparable to that of his grandfather, and Dafydd ap Gruffydd who ruled Gwynedd briefly after his brother's death.
↑ 16.0 16.1 Peter Cotgreave. The barony of Malpas in the twelfth century. Transactions, Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, 2008, 157.2. page 15-16.
Source : https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ferch_Llywarch-3
=== REFN: HWS8426 ===
REFN: HWS8426
Ancestral File Number: 91QG-KH
Ancestral File Number: 91QG-KH
Preferred Parents:
Father: Llywarch Goch ab Iorwerth, b. 1150 in Rhos, Denbighshire, Wales d. 1230 in Wales
Mother: Tangwystl verch Llywarch, b. ABT 1150 in Anglesey, Wales d. 21 JUL 1239 in , Gwynedd Co, Wales
Family 1: Llywelyn the Great of Gwynedd, b. 1174 in Aberffraw Castle, Anglesey, Wales d. 11 APR 1240 in Cistercian Abbey of Aberconwy, Conwy, Caernarfonshire, Wales
- Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, b. ABT 1196 in Denbigh, Wales d. 1 MAR 1244 in London, Middlesex, England
Family 2: Llewelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth The Great, b. 1173 d. 11 APR 1240
- Gwladus verch Llewelyn, b. 1206 in Caernarvonshire, Wales d. 24 OCT 1251 in Windsor, Berkshire, England
Sources:
- Title: Geni: Tangwysti verch Llywarch Goch
Author: Geni
Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Tangwystl-verch-Llywarch-Goch/6000000007455717347;
Note: Information for Tangwystl verch Llywarch Goch
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