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John de Lacy



Preferred Parents:
Father: Roger de Lacy, b. ABT 1171   d. 1 OCT 1211 in Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England
Mother: Maud de Clare, b. ABT 1184   d. 1213

Family 1: Alice de l'Aigle,    b. ABT 1196 in Pevensey, Sussex, England    d. 1216 in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Family 2: Margaret de Quincy 2nd Countess of Lincoln,    b. 1206 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom    d. 30 MAR 1266 in Hampstead, Clerkenwell, London, England
  1. Idonea de Lacy, b. ABT 1226 in Lincolnshire, England    
  2. Maud de Lacy, b. 25 JAN 1223 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England     d. 10 MAR 1289 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Sources:
  1. Title: Wikipedia, "Stanlow Abbey"
    Author: Wikipedia.org
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanlow_Abbey;
    Note: Stanlow Abbey (or Stanlaw Abbey) was a Cistercian abbey situated on Stanlow Point, on the banks of the River Mersey in the Wirral Peninsula, Cheshire, England (grid reference SJ427773). The abbey was founded in 1178 by John fitz Richard as a daughter abbey of Combermere Abbey.[1] Roger de Lacy, John de Lacy and Edmund de Lacy, respectively the 7th, 8th and 9th Barons of Halton, were buried at Stanlow.[2] The abbey was in an exposed situation near the Mersey estuary and it suffered from a series of disasters. In 1279 it was flooded by water from the Mersey and in 1287 during a fierce storm, its tower collapsed and part of the abbey was destroyed by fire. The monks appealed to the pope for the monastery to be moved to a better site and, with the pope's consent and the agreement of Edward I and Henry de Lacy, the 10th Baron, they moved to Whalley Abbey near Clitheroe, Lancashire.[3] This move took place in 1296.[4][5] However a small cell of monks remained on the site until the Reformation,[3] the site becoming a grange of Whalley Abbey.[6] The remains of the abbey lie between the Mersey and the Manchester Ship Canal. The standing remains include two sandstone walls and a re-used doorway, and the buried features include part of a drain leading to the River Gowy. These remains are recognised as a scheduled monument.[6][7]
  2. Title: Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22
    Author: London, England: Oxford University Press; Volume: Vol 11; Page: 380
    Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=1981&h=3571&indiv=try;
  3. Title: John De Lacy, "Find A Grave Index" reinterred memorial #111318066
    Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG9-Q9CR : 10 September 2021), John De Lacy, ; Burial, Whalley, Ribble Valley Borough, Lancashire, England, Saint Mary and All Saints Churchyard; citing record ID 111318066, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
    Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG9-Q9CR;
    Note: Obituary found at Find a Grave memorial #66773859 Lord of Pontefract, of Yorkshire and Hatton, Cheshire. Hereditary Constable of Chester, Sheriff of Chester, Baron of Halton Castle. Son and heir to Sir Roger Fitz John de Lacy of Pontefract and his wife, Maud de Clare. Grandson of John FitzRichard de Lacy and Alice de Mandeville, possibly Sir Richard de Clere and Lady Amice de Muellent. John married Alice d'Aigle, daughter of Gilbert de l'Aigle of Pevensey, Sussex and Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, the illegitimate son of Geoffrey Plantagenet. They married in 1214 but had no children. Alice died in 1216 and was buried at Norton. Secondly, John married Margaret de Quincy, the daughter and heiress of Robert de Quincy and Hawise, the Countess of Lincoln, daughter of Hugh, the Earl of Chester. They were married before 21 June 1221 and had one son and two daughters; Sir Edmund, the Earl of Lincoln, Maud, the wife of Sir Richard de Clare, and Idonea, the wife of Geoffrey de Cheadle. John received livery of his inheritance July 1213 after his father's death, after which he was with King John in Poitou, and one of the few English Barons to take the Cross for the Crusades in oath with King John 04 March 1214. The next year, John joined the other Barons in the confederacy against the king, and was one of the elected barons to guarantee the observance of the Magna Carta, and excommunicated by Pope Innocent 16 Dec 1215. John made peace with the king but by summer of 1216 he rebelled again, Richard destroyed his castle of Donington. John was pardoned by King Henry III, commissioned to bring Alexander, the King of Scots to England. John accompanied Ranulph, the Earl of Chester on crusade and fought at the Siege of Damietta, returning to England mid 1220. The remainder of his years were full of appointments and court activity, falling in and out of favor, becoming the Earl of Lincoln in 1232 at the insistence of his wife's mother. Joining the against Peter de Roches, the Bishop of Winchester, in 1233 made him the king's unpopular councillor, yet he was made the justice in Lincolnshire 1234, carried a state sword at the Queen's coronation 1236, and made plenipotentiary (person with full power) for peace with Scotland in 1237. John died 22 July 1240, buried near his father in the monk's choir at Stanlaw Abbey, then later moved to Whalley. His widow, Margaret, married Walter Marshall, Earl of Pembroke and thirdly Richard de Wiltshire. She died at Hampstead, Middlesex shortly before 30 March 1266, buried near her father in the Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, Middlesex.
  4. Title: Wikipedia, "John de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln"
    Author: Wikipedia.com
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Lacy%2C_2nd_Earl_of_Lincoln;
    Note: Biography (but note Issues).
  5. Title: John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln
    Publication: Name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Lacy,_Earl_of_Lincoln;
    Page: I'm wondering if this is the same guy. There's a lot that is similar but a lot that isn't.
  6. Title: The Medieval Lands Project, "JOHN de Lacy"
    Author: fmg.ac
    Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#JohnLacyLincolndied1240B;
    Note: JOHN de Lacy, son of ROGER de Lacy & his wife Matilda de Clare ([1192]-22 Jul 1240[1000], bur Stanlow, later transferred to Whalley). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Johannem, secundum constabularium, et comitem Lincolniæ” as son of Roger and his wife “Matildam de Clare”[1001]. Constable of Chester: Matthew Paris records, in 1218, the arrival at Damieta in Egypt of “...Johanne constabulario Cestriæ...”[1002]. He was created Earl of Lincoln in 1232. A manuscript history of the Lacy family records the death “XI Kal Aug 1240” of “Johannes de Lacy primus comes Lincolniæ” and his burial “apud Stanlaw”[1003]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record the death in Aug 1240 of “Johannes de Lacy comes Lyncolniæ”[1004]. m firstly ALICE de Laigle, daughter of GILBERT de Laigle & his wife Isabelle de Warenne [Anjou] (-bur Norton). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Aliciam filiam Gilberti de Aquila” as wife of “Johannes de Lacy primus comes Lincolniæ”, adding that she was buried “apud Norton”[1005]. m secondly (1221, before 21 Jun) as her first husband, MARGARET de Quincy, daughter of ROBERT de Quincy & his wife Hawise Ctss of Lincoln (before 1208-Hampstead Mar 1266, bur Clerkenwell, Church of the Hospitallers). The Annales Londonienses name "Margaretam…comitissa Lincolniæ" as the daughter of "Hawisia…de Roberto de Quency"[1006]. The Annales Cestrienses record in 1221 that “Johannes constabularius Cestrie” married “filiam Roberti de Quenci neptam domini Ranulphi comitis Cestrie”[1007]. A manuscript narrating the descent of Hugh Earl of Chester to Alice Ctss of Lincoln records that “Johanni de Laci constabulario Cestriæ” married “Roberto de Quincy…filiam Margaretam comitissam Lincolniæ”[1008]. A manuscript narrating the descent of Hugh Earl of Chester to Alice Ctss of Lincoln records that “Johanni de Laci constabulario Cestriæ” married “Roberto de Quincy…filiam Margaretam comitissam Lincolniæ”[1009]. A manuscript history of the Lacy family records that “Johannes de Lacy primus comes Lincolniæ” married “Margaretam filiam Roberti Quincy comitis Wintoniæ nepotem Ranulphi comitis Cestriæ” after the death of his first wife[1010]. She married secondly ([Jan 1242]) Walter Marshal Earl of Pembroke. The Annals of Tewkesbury record the marriage “circa Epiphaniam Domini” in 1241 of “Walterus Marescallus comes” and “comitissam Lincolniæ…Margeriam, uxorem quondam Johannis comitis Lincolniæ”[1011]. A charter dated 28 Jun 1248 records that "Margaret late Countess of Lincoln…recovered her dower out of the lands in Ireland of W[alter] Marshall late Earl of Pembroke her husband" and that the dower was "taken out of the portions of the inheritance which accrued to William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, Matilda de Kyme, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king’s custody, and Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife"[1012]. She married thirdly (before 7 Jun 1252) Richard de Wilteshir. "Margery countess of Lincoln and Pembroke and Richard de Wilteshir and their heirs" were granted "a yearly fair at their manor of Chelebiry" dated 7 Jun 1252[1013]. The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1266 of “Margareta comitissa Lincolniæ”[1014]. The Annals of Winchester record the death “apud Hamstede” in 1266 of “Margareta comitissa Lyncollniæ”[1015]. Earl John & his second wife had two children: 1. MATILDA de Lacy ([1221/25][1016]-[1287/10 Mar 1289]). The Annales Cambriæ record that "Ricardus de Clare" married "M filiam J de Laci comitis Lincolniæ" in 1238[1017]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record the marriage “circa Purificationem beatæ Virginis” of “filia comitis Lincolniæ” and “Ricardo de Clare”[1018]. The Annales Londonienses record the marriage in 1238 of "Ricardum de Clare filium comitis Gloverniæ" and "Matildæ filiæ comitis Lincolniæ"[1019]. The Chronica de Fundatoribus et Fundatione of Tewkesbury Abbey records the marriage of “Ricardus de Clare secundus filius et hæres…Gilberti et Isabellæ” and “Matildem…filiam comitis Lincolniæ”[1020]. m (25 Jan 1238 or before) as his second wife, RICHARD de Clare Earl of Gloucester and Hertford, son of GILBERT de Clare Earl of Gloucester and Hertford & his wife Isabel Marshal of Pembroke (4 Aug 1222-Ashenfield in Waltham, near Canterbury 15 Jul 1262, bur Tonbridge, transferred 28 Jul 1262 to Tewkesbury). 2. EDMUND (1230-2 Jun 1258, bur Stanlow Abbey). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Edmundum de Lacy comitem, constabularium Cestriæ”, born in 1230, as son of “Johannes de Lacy primus comes Lincolniæ” and his second wife, but adding that he predeceased his mother and therefore did not succeed as Earl of Lincoln[1021]. He succeeded his father in 1240 as Earl of Lincoln, although he does not appear to have been formally invested with the earldom[1022]. “Edmundus de Lascy constabularius Cestriæ” donated property to Roche Abbey, for the souls of “patris mei Johannis de Lascy et Margaretæ matris meæ, et Alesiæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[1023]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record the death in 1257 of “Eadmundus de Lacy frater Matilidis comitissæ Gloucestriæ” and his burial “apud ---”[1024]. m (Woodstock early May 1247) ALASIA di Saluzzo, daughter of MANFREDO III Marchese di Saluzzo & his wife Béatrix de Savoie ([1236]-before 12 Jul 1311, bur Pontefract, Church of the Black Friars). Henry III King of England agreed that “unam filiarum filiæ...comitis [Sabaudiæ]” would marry “vel Johanni de Warenna qui si vixerit comes erit Warennæ, vel Edmundo de Lacy qui si vixerit comes erit Lincolniæ” by charter dated 1246[1025]. A manuscript history of the Lacy family records that “Edmundum de Lacy comitem” married “dominam Aleciam filiam marchionis de Salves in Italia, cognatam reginæ Anglia ex parte Sabinensi” when she was “in juventute sua”[1026]. “Edmundus de Lascy constabularius Cestriæ” donated property to Roche Abbey, for the souls of “…Alesiæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[1027]. This marriage was arranged through Pierre de Savoie, uncle of Queen Eleanor and great-uncle of Alasia[1028]. As Alasia gave birth to her first child in 1250, it is unlikely that she could have been born later than 1236, although at that date her own mother was probably only thirteen years old. Given this tight chronology, it is assumed that Alasia was her parents' first child.

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