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John St. John
- Preferred Name: John St. John[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
- Gender: M
- Burial: 22 OCT 1302 in St Mary's Church, Old Basing, Hampshire, England at LATI: N1.2715 LONG: E1.0467 with note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_St_John_(died_1302) Burial date is Earlier then death date
Standardized.
The United Kingdom didn't exist before 1801.
St Mary's Church
- Death: 29 SEP 1302 in Lochmaben Castle, Dumfriesshire, Scotland at LATI: N5.1167 LONG: E3.45 with note: He died on Thursday, 6 Sept. 1302, at Lochmaben Castle (‘Ann. London,’ in Stubbs, Chron. Edward I and Edward II, i. 128).
-Dictionary of National Biography (in sources)
- Birth: ABT 1225
- FSID: KNJP-NTJ
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
John St John (died 1302), of Basing in Hampshire, was a soldier who served as Lieutenant of Aquitaine.
He was the son of Robert de St John (d.1267) by his wife believed to have been Agnes de Cantilupe, a daughter of William de Cantilupe.
Career
John inherited his fathers title in 1267, upon the death of his father and succeeded him as governor of Porchester Castle in Hampshire. In November 1276, he was one of the magnates present at the council which judgment was given against Llywelyn ap Gruffudd. He participated in King Edward I of England's invasions of Wales in 1277 and 1282. He was summoned to the Shrewsbury parliament in 1283. During Edward I's stay in Aquitaine between 1286-1289, he was involved in negotiations between King Alfonso III of Aragon and King Charles II of Naples and was one of the hostages handed over to King Alfonso III in 1288 to secure the conditions upon which the Charles, Prince of Salerno had been released. He returned to England in early 1289 and attended parliament in May 1290.
St John was despatched in 1290 on a mission to Pope Nicholas IV regarding the crusading a projected crusade. During March, St John was at Tarascon, dealing with business from Edward I's mediation between Sicily and Aragon. In November 1292, St John was in Scotland attending on the king, during the selection of the next King of Scotland, in favour of John Balliol.
In 1293, relations between Edward I and King Philip IV of France became strained, and St John was dispatched to Gascony as the king's lieutenant. St John went about strengthening and provisioning the fortified towns and castles, and in providing adequate garrisons for them. Edmund Crouchback unwittingly allowed the temporary possession of the Gascon strongholds, without legal authority by the French. St John deliver seisin of Gascony to its French overlord and admitted the French into the castles, sold off the provisions and stores that he had collected, and returned to England by way of Paris.
Edward I, angered by the French occupation of Aquitaine, prepared to recover his inheritance by force. Due to instability and revolution in Wales, Edward I appointed his nephew John of Brittany as his lieutenant in Aquitaine with St John as seneschal and chief counsellor on 1 July 1294. The expedition left Plymouth on 1 October, arriving at the Gironde estuary on the 28 October. Macau was captured on 31 October and Bourg and Blaye were next subdued. The fleet then sailed up the Garonne river to Bordeaux, however failed to capture the town. Rions was then captured, along with Podensac and Villeneuve. St John left John of Brittany at Rions, travelling with a force by river and sea to Bayonne and attacked the town. On 1 January 1295 the citizens of Bayonne, drove the French garrison into the castle and opened the town gates to him. St John attacked Bayonne Castle, which surrendered eleven days later after a siege. Many Gascons then joined the English army.
Charles of Valois, invaded Aquitaine at the head of a French army and won back most of the English conquests in the Garonne valley. St John and John of Brittany were at Rions, however were so alarmed at the fall of the neighbouring towns that they abandoned Rions, with the French re-entering Rions on 8 April 1295. King Edward I sent Edmund of Lancaster in 1296 to take over command at Bordeaux. During the siege of Bayonne in 1296, the English ran out of money, so the army disbanded. Disheartened Edmund died on 5 June 1296. Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln took over command with St John as Seneschal. Bayonne was again recaptured after an eight-day siege. On 28 January 1297 St John marched with de Lacy to convey provisions to Bellegarde, which being besieged by Robert, Count of Artois. The English army was ambushed and St John's column was attacked and St John was taken prisoner along with ten other knights. St John was sent to Paris and was kept in captivity until being released after the Treaty of Montreuil in the summer of 1299. His captivity caused St John to be in heavy debts and was forced to pledge four of his manors for sixteen years to the merchants of the society of the Buonsignori of Siena.
On 3 January 1300, St John was appointed the king's lieutenant and captain in Cumberland, Westmoreland, Lancashire, Annandale, and the other marches west of Roxburgh. During the famous siege of Carlaverock in 1300, St John was entrusted with the custody of Prince Edward of Carnarvon, Edward I's son, who was taking part in his first campaign. During 1301, St John was warden of Galloway and the sheriffdom of Dumfries, as well as of the adjacent marches. In the spring of that year he was appointed, with John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey and others, to treat at Canterbury of a peace between the English and the Scots with the envoys of Philip IV of France. In January 1301 St John was at the Lincoln parliament, and signed the Barons' Letter of 1301 to the pope, although not himself a baron, never having been summpned by writ to parliament.[3] On 12 July 1302 he was with the king at Westminster, however returned to his border command, where he died on Thursday 6 September 1302, at Lochmaben Castle, Scotland.
Marriage and issue
St John married Alice FitzPeter, a daughter of Reginald FitzPeter, by whom he had issue including:
1. John St John, 1st Baron St John (d. 1329) of Basing, who married Isabel Courtenay, had issue.
2. William St John
3. Edward St John
4. Amadeus St John
5. Agnes St John, who married Hugh de Courtenay, 1st/9th Earl of Devon, by whom she had issue.
Death and burial
He died on Thursday 6 September 1302, at Lochmaben Castle in Scotland and was buried in St Mary's Church, Old Basing, Hampshire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_St_John_(died_1302)
BIO
BIO: Knight.
** from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm#AgnesStJohndied1345 as of 8/9/2016
JOHN de St John, son of ROBERT de St John & his wife Agnes de Cantelou (-[20/
=== John was also Governor of Porchester Ca ===
John was also Governor of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired a high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and in his capacity of Lieutenant of Aquitiane achieved some important conquests. In 1296 he took the City of Bayonne by assault and its castle surrendered after a seige of 8 days. After engaging in many other conflicts he was finally made prisoner, but was redeemed and afterwards deputed Ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank.
=== !1. Information source: Hamps 2 p 123,12 ===
!1. Information source: Hamps 2 p 123,124: Eng P (102) p 669 Castles, Mansions, Etc. Eleves p 42, Suss 7 p 6: Eng V vol II p 323-325 : Eng Pub A vol 50, p 145-148. 2. Child # 3 John md (1) Isabell de Courtenay. 3. Child # 4 Agnes md Hugh de Courtenay, 1292.
=== !Hampshire 2 p. 123, 124, England ü. 102 ===
!Hampshire 2 p. 123, 124, England ü. 102 P. 669 Castles, Mansions, etc. Eleves, P. 42 Suss 7 p. 6 England V Vol. II p. 323-325 Eng. Pub A. vo. 50, 145-8.
=== John was also Governor of Porchester Cas ===
John was also Governor of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired a high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and in his capacity of Lieutenant of Aquitiane achieved some important conquests. In 1296 he took the City of Bayonne by assault and its castle surrendered after a seige of 8 days. After engaging in many other conflicts he was finally made prisoner, but was redeemed and afterwards deputed Ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank. Gov. of Porchester Castle.
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Following copied from Dave Utzinger, World Connect db=utzing, rootsweb.com:
Which appears to be a quotation from the "Complete Peerage".
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Sir JOHN DE ST. JOHN, 1st or 1st surviving son and heir, received the custody of Porchester castle upon his father's death, and his relief was forgiven on account of his and his father's notable services. He was one of the Council who notified Prince Edward in Palestine of the death of Henry III and their proclamation of his successor. In 1276 he was one of the magnates de consilio Regis, who declared Llewelyn a rebel, and initiated a campaign against him. In 1283, summoned to the Assembly at Shrewsbury. He was one of the magnates whom Edward took with him (May 1286) on his prolonged political tour in France and Spain; and, after their return, a commissioner (October 1289) to hear complaints against the King's officials during his absence. In November he was "now staying continually with the King." He participated in the "parliament " after Easter 1290. From October that year he was engaged on foreign political missions. In 1292 he was one of the Auditors on behalf of the King at the trial of the claims to the crown of Scotland. Appointed Lieutenant of Aquitaine, 12 July 1293, Sire Jon de Seyn John, ke conust les countrez, went out to organize the campaign. He went out again in 1294, as seneschal of Aquitaine and a plenipotentiary to deal with Castile and was on the staff of the Earls of Richmond, Lancaster and Lincoln, successively Lieutenantss. He was captured by the French, 1296 or 1297. On his return, 1297, he was summoned to a military council at Rochester and for service in Flanders. From 1298 till his death he was engaged in military operations in Scotland, chiefly in Galloway, and in the Western Marches. His seal is attached to the Barons' letter to the Pope, February 1300/1. He married, before 29 June 1256, Alice, daughter of Sir Reynold FITZPIERS, by his 1st wife, Alice. He presumably died between 20 and 29 September 1302. His widow was living in 1305.
[CP 11:323-5]
=== From the collection of Jerry Dean Ferren ===
From the collection of Jerry Dean Ferren.
=== !Weis. 262-31. Sir John de St. John wa ===
!Weis. 262-31. Sir John de St. John was of Basing. He was Lord Lieutenant of Aquitaine and Seneschal of Aquitaine in 1293. He died 20 or 29 of Sep. 1302. (Is this a conversion of Old Style dates?)
=== ohn de St. John, Lord of Basing, likewis ===
ohn de St. John, Lord of Basing, likewise succeeded to the governorship of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and, in the capacity of lieutenant of Aquitaine, achieved some important conquests. In 1296, he took the city of Bayonne by assault, and its castle surrendered after a siege of eight days. Thence marching to Bellegard, at the time invested by the Earl of Arras, he was made prisoner and conveyed to Paris, being, however, redeemed (it was said by Alfonsus, King of Castile), he was again in the wars of Gascony, as well as in those of Scotland, and was afterwards deputed ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank. He d. in 1301, having m. Alice, dau. of Reginald Fitz-Piers, and had issue, John, his successor, and William. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 466, St. John, Barons St. John, of Basing]
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Sir John de St. John, d. 20-29 Sep 1302, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, Seneschal of Aquitaine, son & heir of Sir Robert de St. John, d. c 1269, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle & Agnes, daughter of William de Cauntelo, d. 1251, of Calne, co. Wilts, and Eaton Bray, co. Bedford, & Millicent de Gournay. [Ancestral Roots]
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John was also Governor of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired a high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and in his capacity of Lieutenant of Aquitiane achieved some important conquests. In 1296 he took the City of Bayonne by assault and its castle surrendered after a seige of 8 days. After engaging in many other conflicts he was finally made prisoner, but was redeemed and afterwards deputed Ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank. Gov. of Porchester Castle.
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Sir JOHN DE ST. JOHN, 1st or 1st surviving son and heir (j), received the custody of Porchester castle upon his father's death, and his relief was forgiven on account of his and his father's notable services. He was one of the Council who notified Prince Edward in Palestine of the death of Henry III and their proclamation of his successor. In 1276 he was one of the magnates de consilio Regis, who declared Llewelyn a rebel, and initiated a campaign against him. In 1283, summoned to the Assembly at Shrewsbury. He was one of the magnates whom Edward took with him (May 1286) on his prolonged political tour in France and Spain; and, after their return, a commissioner (October 1289) to hear complaints against the King's officials during his absence. In November he was "now staying continmaclly with the King." He participated in the "parliament " after Easter 1290. From October that year he was engaged on foreign political missions. In 1292 he was one of the Auditors on behalf of the King at the trial of the claims to the crown of Scotland. Appointed Lieutenant of Aquitaine, 12 July 1293, Sire Jon de Seyn John, ke conust les countrez, went out to organize the campaign. He went out again in 1294, as seneschal of Aquitaine and a plenipotentiary to deal with Castile and was on the staff of the Earls of Richmond, Lancaster and Lincoln, successively Lieutenants. He was captured by the French, 1296 or 1297. On his return, 1297, he was summoned to a military council at Rochester and for service in Flanders. From 1298 till his death he was engaged in military operations in Scotland, chiefly in Galloway, and in the Western Marches. His seal is attached to the Barons' letter to the Pope, February 1300/1. He married, before 29 June 1256, Alice, daughter of Sir Reynold FITZPIERS, by his 1st wife, Alice. He presumably died between 20 and 29 September 1302. His widow was living in 1305. [Complete Peerage XI:323-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(j) The William de St. John, who d. 9 Mar 1353/4 at St. Macaire, with 92 days' pay due him, may have been the elder son of Robert de St. John, who in Nov 1353, was to have a reasonable aid for the knighting of his eldest son. This son can hardly have been Robert's successor John, who in 1256 was not yet of marriageable age.
=== He was Constable of Porcestre Castle. ===
He was Constable of Porcestre Castle.
=== 1a. Source: "Pole's History of Devonshi ===
1a. Source: "Pole's History of Devonshire, Devon 4, p256; "The Royal Dau. of England", Eng. 120, v.1, p201; "Westcote's Devonshire", Devon 3, p571,573; "Visitations of Devon", Devon 2, p244; "The Complete Peerage", C.E.C., Eng V, v3, p344; as submitted in an LDS Archive File by Sheryl Ann Gillmor. 1b. "Ancestry of Roger Ludlow" by Seversmith, p. 2,392-402. 1c. "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants," complied by Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, V1, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc, 1979, p.197. 2. "of Basing, Hants." (Source 1c)
=== My PAF Notes ===
from thepeerage.com, 2/2009:
John de St. John1
M, #9295
Last Edited=7 Apr 2008
John de St. John lived at Basing . He held the office of Governor of Aquitaine.
Child of John de St. John and Alice FitzPiers
Agnes de St. John + b. 1275, d. 11 Jun 13451
Citations
[S37 ] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1122. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
=== !Name,Spouse,son,parents-Visitation Bk Q ===
!Name,Spouse,son,parents-Visitation Bk Q area 942.25 D2b pg 61 DD,Bd(age 21 in 1249)-Submission by Gatton from Oxf Hist Eng-Pitt 5:490 Name,parents,Title(also Gov of Porchester Castle,Let of Aquataine),Spouse,dyr (1301),son(John)-Peerage & Baronetage by Burke pg 2203 MD-IGI End-Ancestral File(unvarified) Bap-IGI;SL Rec FHL 183543 pg 1146 SS-IGI addendum from FHL 184725 SP-IGI addendum Bd also listed as 1250,1225,1260,1253,1188,1210;Md as 1256,1274,1278,1280;DD as 1301;Bpla as Stanton
=== !SOURCE: Ancestral Roots 7th Edition 26 ===
!SOURCE: Ancestral Roots 7th Edition 262-31. of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, Seneschel of Aquitaine.
=== !Ancestral Roots, Line 262-31. !Constabl ===
!Ancestral Roots, Line 262-31. !Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, & of Aquitaine.
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.42; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== !Sir Bernard Burke's Dormant & Extinct P ===
!Sir Bernard Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage p.466;
=== Life Sketch ===
John St John (died 1302), of Basing in Hampshire, was a soldier who served as Lieutenant of Aquitaine.
He was the son of Robert de St John (d.1267) by his wife believed to have been Agnes de Cantilupe, a daughter of William de Cantilupe.
Career
John inherited his fathers title in 1267, upon the death of his father and succeeded him as governor of Porchester Castle in Hampshire. In November 1276, he was one of the magnates present at the council which judgment was given against Llywelyn ap Gruffudd. He participated in King Edward I of England's invasions of Wales in 1277 and 1282. He was summoned to the Shrewsbury parliament in 1283. During Edward I's stay in Aquitaine between 1286-1289, he was involved in negotiations between King Alfonso III of Aragon and King Charles II of Naples and was one of the hostages handed over to King Alfonso III in 1288 to secure the conditions upon which the Charles, Prince of Salerno had been released. He returned to England in early 1289 and attended parliament in May 1290.
St John was despatched in 1290 on a mission to Pope Nicholas IV regarding the crusading a projected crusade. During March, St John was at Tarascon, dealing with business from Edward I's mediation between Sicily and Aragon. In November 1292, St John was in Scotland attending on the king, during the selection of the next King of Scotland, in favour of John Balliol.
In 1293, relations between Edward I and King Philip IV of France became strained, and St John was dispatched to Gascony as the king's lieutenant. St John went about strengthening and provisioning the fortified towns and castles, and in providing adequate garrisons for them. Edmund Crouchback unwittingly allowed the temporary possession of the Gascon strongholds, without legal authority by the French. St John deliver seisin of Gascony to its French overlord and admitted the French into the castles, sold off the provisions and stores that he had collected, and returned to England by way of Paris.
Edward I, angered by the French occupation of Aquitaine, prepared to recover his inheritance by force. Due to instability and revolution in Wales, Edward I appointed his nephew John of Brittany as his lieutenant in Aquitaine with St John as seneschal and chief counsellor on 1 July 1294. The expedition left Plymouth on 1 October, arriving at the Gironde estuary on the 28 October. Macau was captured on 31 October and Bourg and Blaye were next subdued. The fleet then sailed up the Garonne river to Bordeaux, however failed to capture the town. Rions was then captured, along with Podensac and Villeneuve. St John left John of Brittany at Rions, travelling with a force by river and sea to Bayonne and attacked the town. On 1 January 1295 the citizens of Bayonne, drove the French garrison into the castle and opened the town gates to him. St John attacked Bayonne Castle, which surrendered eleven days later after a siege. Many Gascons then joined the English army.
Charles of Valois, invaded Aquitaine at the head of a French army and won back most of the English conquests in the Garonne valley. St John and John of Brittany were at Rions, however were so alarmed at the fall of the neighbouring towns that they abandoned Rions, with the French re-entering Rions on 8 April 1295. King Edward I sent Edmund of Lancaster in 1296 to take over command at Bordeaux. During the siege of Bayonne in 1296, the English ran out of money, so the army disbanded. Disheartened Edmund died on 5 June 1296. Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln took over command with St John as Seneschal. Bayonne was again recaptured after an eight-day siege. On 28 January 1297 St John marched with de Lacy to convey provisions to Bellegarde, which being besieged by Robert, Count of Artois. The English army was ambushed and St John's column was attacked and St John was taken prisoner along with ten other knights. St John was sent to Paris and was kept in captivity until being released after the Treaty of Montreuil in the summer of 1299. His captivity caused St John to be in heavy debts and was forced to pledge four of his manors for sixteen years to the merchants of the society of the Buonsignori of Siena.
On 3 January 1300, St John was appointed the king's lieutenant and captain in Cumberland, Westmoreland, Lancashire, Annandale, and the other marches west of Roxburgh. During the famous siege of Carlaverock in 1300, St John was entrusted with the custody of Prince Edward of Carnarvon, Edward I's son, who was taking part in his first campaign. During 1301, St John was warden of Galloway and the sheriffdom of Dumfries, as well as of the adjacent marches. In the spring of that year he was appointed, with John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey and others, to treat at Canterbury of a peace between the English and the Scots with the envoys of Philip IV of France. In January 1301 St John was at the Lincoln parliament, and signed the Barons' Letter of 1301 to the pope, although not himself a baron, never having been summpned by writ to parliament.[3] On 12 July 1302 he was with the king at Westminster, however returned to his border command, where he died on Thursday 6 September 1302, at Lochmaben Castle, Scotland.
Marriage and issue
St John married Alice FitzPeter, a daughter of Reginald FitzPeter, by whom he had issue including:
1. John St John, 1st Baron St John (d. 1329) of Basing, who married Isabel Courtenay, had issue.
2. William St John
3. Edward St John
4. Amadeus St John
5. Agnes St John, who married Hugh de Courtenay, 1st/9th Earl of Devon, by whom she had issue.
Death and burial
He died on Thursday 6 September 1302, at Lochmaben Castle in Scotland and was buried in St Mary's Church, Old Basing, Hampshire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_St_John_(died_1302)
BIO
BIO: Knight.
** from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm#AgnesStJohndied1345 as of 8/9/2016
JOHN de St John, son of ROBERT de St John & his wife Agnes de Cantelou (-[20/
=== He was Constable of Porcestre Castle. ===
He was Constable of Porcestre Castle.
=== ohn de St. John, Lord of Basing, likewis ===
ohn de St. John, Lord of Basing, likewise succeeded to the governorship of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and, in the capacity of lieutenant of Aquitaine, achieved some important conquests. In 1296, he took the city of Bayonne by assault, and its castle surrendered after a siege of eight days. Thence marching to Bellegard, at the time invested by the Earl of Arras, he was made prisoner and conveyed to Paris, being, however, redeemed (it was said by Alfonsus, King of Castile), he was again in the wars of Gascony, as well as in those of Scotland, and was afterwards deputed ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank. He d. in 1301, having m. Alice, dau. of Reginald Fitz-Piers, and had issue, John, his successor, and William. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 466, St. John, Barons St. John, of Basing]
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Sir John de St. John, d. 20-29 Sep 1302, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, Seneschal of Aquitaine, son & heir of Sir Robert de St. John, d. c 1269, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle & Agnes, daughter of William de Cauntelo, d. 1251, of Calne, co. Wilts, and Eaton Bray, co. Bedford, & Millicent de Gournay. [Ancestral Roots]
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John was also Governor of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired a high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and in his capacity of Lieutenant of Aquitiane achieved some important conquests. In 1296 he took the City of Bayonne by assault and its castle surrendered after a seige of 8 days. After engaging in many other conflicts he was finally made prisoner, but was redeemed and afterwards deputed Ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank. Gov. of Porchester Castle.
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Sir JOHN DE ST. JOHN, 1st or 1st surviving son and heir (j), received the custody of Porchester castle upon his father's death, and his relief was forgiven on account of his and his father's notable services. He was one of the Council who notified Prince Edward in Palestine of the death of Henry III and their proclamation of his successor. In 1276 he was one of the magnates de consilio Regis, who declared Llewelyn a rebel, and initiated a campaign against him. In 1283, summoned to the Assembly at Shrewsbury. He was one of the magnates whom Edward took with him (May 1286) on his prolonged political tour in France and Spain; and, after their return, a commissioner (October 1289) to hear complaints against the King's officials during his absence. In November he was "now staying continmaclly with the King." He participated in the "parliament " after Easter 1290. From October that year he was engaged on foreign political missions. In 1292 he was one of the Auditors on behalf of the King at the trial of the claims to the crown of Scotland. Appointed Lieutenant of Aquitaine, 12 July 1293, Sire Jon de Seyn John, ke conust les countrez, went out to organize the campaign. He went out again in 1294, as seneschal of Aquitaine and a plenipotentiary to deal with Castile and was on the staff of the Earls of Richmond, Lancaster and Lincoln, successively Lieutenants. He was captured by the French, 1296 or 1297. On his return, 1297, he was summoned to a military council at Rochester and for service in Flanders. From 1298 till his death he was engaged in military operations in Scotland, chiefly in Galloway, and in the Western Marches. His seal is attached to the Barons' letter to the Pope, February 1300/1. He married, before 29 June 1256, Alice, daughter of Sir Reynold FITZPIERS, by his 1st wife, Alice. He presumably died between 20 and 29 September 1302. His widow was living in 1305. [Complete Peerage XI:323-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(j) The William de St. John, who d. 9 Mar 1353/4 at St. Macaire, with 92 days' pay due him, may have been the elder son of Robert de St. John, who in Nov 1353, was to have a reasonable aid for the knighting of his eldest son. This son can hardly have been Robert's successor John, who in 1256 was not yet of marriageable age.
=== !Hampshire 2 p. 123, 124, England ü. 102 ===
!Hampshire 2 p. 123, 124, England ü. 102 P. 669 Castles, Mansions, etc. Eleves, P. 42 Suss 7 p. 6 England V Vol. II p. 323-325 Eng. Pub A. vo. 50, 145-8.
=== From the collection of Jerry Dean Ferren ===
From the collection of Jerry Dean Ferren.
=== !1. Information source: Hamps 2 p 123,12 ===
!1. Information source: Hamps 2 p 123,124: Eng P (102) p 669 Castles, Mansions, Etc. Eleves p 42, Suss 7 p 6: Eng V vol II p 323-325 : Eng Pub A vol 50, p 145-148. 2. Child # 3 John md (1) Isabell de Courtenay. 3. Child # 4 Agnes md Hugh de Courtenay, 1292.
=== !Ancestral Roots, Line 262-31. !Constabl ===
!Ancestral Roots, Line 262-31. !Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, & of Aquitaine.
=== !Name,Spouse,son,parents-Visitation Bk Q ===
!Name,Spouse,son,parents-Visitation Bk Q area 942.25 D2b pg 61 DD,Bd(age 21 in 1249)-Submission by Gatton from Oxf Hist Eng-Pitt 5:490 Name,parents,Title(also Gov of Porchester Castle,Let of Aquataine),Spouse,dyr (1301),son(John)-Peerage & Baronetage by Burke pg 2203 MD-IGI End-Ancestral File(unvarified) Bap-IGI;SL Rec FHL 183543 pg 1146 SS-IGI addendum from FHL 184725 SP-IGI addendum Bd also listed as 1250,1225,1260,1253,1188,1210;Md as 1256,1274,1278,1280;DD as 1301;Bpla as Stanton
=== My PAF Notes ===
from thepeerage.com, 2/2009:
John de St. John1
M, #9295
Last Edited=7 Apr 2008
John de St. John lived at Basing . He held the office of Governor of Aquitaine.
Child of John de St. John and Alice FitzPiers
Agnes de St. John + b. 1275, d. 11 Jun 13451
Citations
[S37 ] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1122. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
=== !Weis. 262-31. Sir John de St. John wa ===
!Weis. 262-31. Sir John de St. John was of Basing. He was Lord Lieutenant of Aquitaine and Seneschal of Aquitaine in 1293. He died 20 or 29 of Sep. 1302. (Is this a conversion of Old Style dates?)
=== 1a. Source: "Pole's History of Devonshi ===
1a. Source: "Pole's History of Devonshire, Devon 4, p256; "The Royal Dau. of England", Eng. 120, v.1, p201; "Westcote's Devonshire", Devon 3, p571,573; "Visitations of Devon", Devon 2, p244; "The Complete Peerage", C.E.C., Eng V, v3, p344; as submitted in an LDS Archive File by Sheryl Ann Gillmor. 1b. "Ancestry of Roger Ludlow" by Seversmith, p. 2,392-402. 1c. "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants," complied by Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, V1, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc, 1979, p.197. 2. "of Basing, Hants." (Source 1c)
=== !SOURCE: Ancestral Roots 7th Edition 26 ===
!SOURCE: Ancestral Roots 7th Edition 262-31. of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, Seneschel of Aquitaine.
=== !Sir Bernard Burke's Dormant & Extinct P ===
!Sir Bernard Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage p.466;
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.42; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== John was also Governor of Porchester Cas ===
John was also Governor of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired a high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and in his capacity of Lieutenant of Aquitiane achieved some important conquests. In 1296 he took the City of Bayonne by assault and its castle surrendered after a seige of 8 days. After engaging in many other conflicts he was finally made prisoner, but was redeemed and afterwards deputed Ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank. Gov. of Porchester Castle.
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Following copied from Dave Utzinger, World Connect db=utzing, rootsweb.com:
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Sir JOHN DE ST. JOHN, 1st or 1st surviving son and heir, received the custody of Porchester castle upon his father's death, and his relief was forgiven on account of his and his father's notable services. He was one of the Council who notified Prince Edward in Palestine of the death of Henry III and their proclamation of his successor. In 1276 he was one of the magnates de consilio Regis, who declared Llewelyn a rebel, and initiated a campaign against him. In 1283, summoned to the Assembly at Shrewsbury. He was one of the magnates whom Edward took with him (May 1286) on his prolonged political tour in France and Spain; and, after their return, a commissioner (October 1289) to hear complaints against the King's officials during his absence. In November he was "now staying continually with the King." He participated in the "parliament " after Easter 1290. From October that year he was engaged on foreign political missions. In 1292 he was one of the Auditors on behalf of the King at the trial of the claims to the crown of Scotland. Appointed Lieutenant of Aquitaine, 12 July 1293, Sire Jon de Seyn John, ke conust les countrez, went out to organize the campaign. He went out again in 1294, as seneschal of Aquitaine and a plenipotentiary to deal with Castile and was on the staff of the Earls of Richmond, Lancaster and Lincoln, successively Lieutenantss. He was captured by the French, 1296 or 1297. On his return, 1297, he was summoned to a military council at Rochester and for service in Flanders. From 1298 till his death he was engaged in military operations in Scotland, chiefly in Galloway, and in the Western Marches. His seal is attached to the Barons' letter to the Pope, February 1300/1. He married, before 29 June 1256, Alice, daughter of Sir Reynold FITZPIERS, by his 1st wife, Alice. He presumably died between 20 and 29 September 1302. His widow was living in 1305.
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=== John was also Governor of Porchester Ca ===
John was also Governor of Porchester Castle. This baron acquired a high military reputation in the wars of Edward I and in his capacity of Lieutenant of Aquitiane achieved some important conquests. In 1296 he took the City of Bayonne by assault and its castle surrendered after a seige of 8 days. After engaging in many other conflicts he was finally made prisoner, but was redeemed and afterwards deputed Ambassador to France with John, Earl of Warren and other persons of rank.
Preferred Parents:
Father: Robert de St. John, b. ABT 1195 in Berkshire, England d. 7 MAR 1266 in Old Basing, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
Mother: Agnes de Cantilupe, b. 1199 in Bedfordshire, England d. AFT 1279 in Old Basing, Hampshire, England
Family 1: Alice FitzReynald, b. APR 1234 in Old Basing, Hampshire, England d. 1305 in Basing, Hampshire, England
- m. 29 JUN 1256 in England
- John de St. John, b. OCT 1273 in Basing Manor, Basing, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom d. 14 MAY 1329 in Basing Manor, Basing, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
- Agnes de Saint John, b. 1275 in Old Basing, Hampshire, England d. 11 JUN 1340 in Exeter, Devon, England
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M, #14478, b. circa 1235, d. 22 September 1302
Father Sir Robert de St. John, Lord Lt. & Seneschal of Aquitaine, Keeper of Portchester & Farnham Castles7 b. c 1211, d. bt 11 Mar 1267 - 25 Mar 1267
Mother Agnes de Cantelowe7 b. c 1216, d. a 1279
Sir John de St. John, Lt. of Aquitaine, Keeper of Portchester Castle was born circa 1235 at of Basing & North Oakley, Hampshire, England; Of full age in 1267.7 A contract for the marriage of Sir John de St. John, Lt. of Aquitaine, Keeper of Portchester Castle and Alice FitzPeter was signed on 29 June 1256; They had 4 sons (Sir John, 1st Lord St. John of Basing; Sir Edward; Amadeus, Canon of St. Peter's, York; & Roger) & 1 daughter (Agnes, wife of Sir Hugh de Courtenay, 9th Earl of Devon).2,3,5,6,7 Sir John de St. John, Lt. of Aquitaine, Keeper of Portchester Castle died on 22 September 1302 at of Barnham, Halnaker, Walberton, & Woodcote in Westhampnett, Sussex, England.7
Family
Alice FitzPeter b. c 1234, d. a 1305
Children
*William de St John b 1254[8] (shown as the brother of John de St John, the elder, not his son)
Sir John de St. John, 1st Lord St. John of Basing+3,7 b. bt 1272 - 1274, d. c 4 Apr 1329
Amadeus St John, Canon of St Peters, York, England
Agnes de St. John+2,4,5,7 b. c 1279, d. 11 Jun 1345
Sir Edward de St. John+9,7 b. c 1282, d. 30 Nov 1348
Roger St John
- Title: Wikipedia - John St John (died 1302)
Author: Citations Burke, p. 466. G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, n.s., vol.XI, p.323 G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, n.s., vol.XI, pp.324-5 References Burke, Bernard (1866). A Genealogical History of the Dormant: Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire. Harrison. Wikisource-logo.svg This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: "Saint-John, John de". Dictionary of National Biography. London: Smith, Elder & Co. 1885–1900.
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Note: John St John (died 1302), of Basing in Hampshire, was a soldier who served as Lieutenant of Aquitaine.
John St John, Seneschal of Gascony
Died 1302
Buried St Mary's Church, Old Basing, Hampshire
Spouse(s) Alice Fitpiers
Origins
He was the son of Robert de St John (d.1267) by his wife believed to have been Agnes de Cantilupe, a daughter of William de Cantilupe.
Career
John inherited his fathers title in 1267, upon the death of his father and succeeded him as governor of Porchester Castle in Hampshire. In November 1276, he was one of the magnates present at the council which judgment was given against Llywelyn ap Gruffudd. He participated in King Edward I of England's invasions of Wales in 1277 and 1282. He was summoned to the Shrewsbury parliament in 1283. During Edward I's stay in Aquitaine between 1286-1289, he was involved in negotiations between King Alfonso III of Aragon and King Charles II of Naples and was one of the hostages handed over to King Alfonso III in 1288 to secure the conditions upon which the Charles, Prince of Salerno had been released. He returned to England in early 1289 and attended parliament in May 1290.
St John was despatched in 1290 on a mission to Pope Nicholas IV regarding the crusading a projected crusade. During March, St John was at Tarascon, dealing with business from Edward I's mediation between Sicily and Aragon. In November 1292, St John was in Scotland attending on the king, during the selection of the next King of Scotland, in favor of John Balliol.
In 1293, relations between Edward I and King Philip IV of France became strained, and St John was dispatched to Gascony as the king's lieutenant. St John went about strengthening and provisioning the fortified towns and castles, and in providing adequate garrisons for them. Edmund Crouchback unwittingly allowed the temporary possession of the Gascon strongholds, without legal authority by the French. St John delivered seisin of Gascony to its French overlord and admitted the French into the castles, sold off the provisions and stores that he had collected, and returned to England by way of Paris.
Edward I, angered by the French occupation of Aquitaine, prepared to recover his inheritance by force. Due to instability and revolution in Wales, Edward I appointed his nephew John of Brittany as his lieutenant in Aquitaine with St John as seneschal and chief counsellor on 1 July 1294. The expedition left Plymouth on 1 October, arriving at the Gironde estuary on the 28 October. Macau was captured on 31 October and Bourg and Blaye were next subdued. The fleet then sailed up the Garonne river to Bordeaux, however failed to capture the town. Rions was then captured, along with Podensac and Villeneuve. St John left John of Brittany at Rions, travelling with a force by river and sea to Bayonne and attacked the town. On 1 January 1295 the citizens of Bayonne, drove the French garrison into the castle and opened the town gates to him. St John attacked Bayonne Castle, which surrendered eleven days later after a siege. Many Gascons then joined the English army.
Charles of Valois, invaded Aquitaine at the head of a French army and won back most of the English conquests in the Garonne valley. St John and John of Brittany were at Rions, however were so alarmed at the fall of the neighboring towns that they abandoned Rions, with the French re-entering Rions on 8 April 1295. King Edward I sent Edmund of Lancaster in 1296 to take over command at Bordeaux. During the siege of Bayonne in 1296, the English ran out of money, so the army disbanded. Disheartened Edmund died on 5 June 1296. Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln took over command with St John as Seneschal. Bayonne was again recaptured after an eight-day siege. On 28 January 1297 St John marched with de Lacy to convey provisions to Bellegarde, which being besieged by Robert, Count of Artois. The English army was ambushed and St John's column was attacked and St John was taken prisoner along with ten other knights. St John was sent to Paris and was kept in captivity until being released after the Treaty of Montreuil in the summer of 1299. His captivity caused St John to be in heavy debts and was forced to pledge four of his manors for sixteen years to the merchants of the society of the Buonsignori of Siena.
On 3 January 1300, St John was appointed the king's lieutenant and captain in Cumberland, Westmoreland, Lancashire, Annandale, and the other marches west of Roxburgh. During the famous siege of Carlaverock in 1300, St John was entrusted with the custody of Prince Edward of Carnarvon, Edward I's son, who was taking part in his first campaign. During 1301, St John was warden of Galloway and the sheriffdom of Dumfries, as well as of the adjacent marches. In the spring of that year he was appointed, with John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey and others, to treat at Canterbury of a peace between the English and the Scots with the envoys of Philip IV of France. In January 1301 St John was at the Lincoln parliament, and signed the Barons' Letter of 1301 to the pope, although not himself a baron, never having been summoned by writ to parliament. On 12 July 1302 he was with the king at Westminster, however returned to his border command, where he died on Thursday 6 September 1302, at Lochmaben Castle, Scotland.
Marriage and issue
St John married Alice FitzPeter, a daughter of Reginald FitzPeter, by whom he had issue including:
John St John, 1st Baron St John (d. 1329) of Basing, who married Isabel Courtenay, had issue.
William St John
Edward St John
Amadeus St John
Agnes St John, who married Hugh de Courtenay, 1st/9th Earl of Devon, by whom she had issue.
Death and burial
He died on Thursday 6 September 1302, at Lochmaben Castle in Scotland and was buried in St Mary's Church, Old Basing, Hampshire.
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Sir John Saint John
BIRTH 1225 Old Basing, Basingstoke and Deane Borough, Hampshire, England
DEATH 22 Sep 1302 (aged 76–77) Lochmaben Castle, Dumfries, Galloway, Scotland
BURIAL St Mary Churchyard, Old Basing, Basingstoke and Deane Borough, Hampshire, England
MEMORIAL ID 103042612
Son of Sir Robert Saint John and Agnes de Cauntelowe. Husband of Alice FitzPiers or FitzReynald. Father of:
John Saint John, husband of Isabel de Courtenay
Agnes Saint John, wife of Sir Hugh de Courtenay, the nephew of Isabel.
Constable of Porestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony and Aquitane.
- Title: Wikisource - Dictionary of National Biography
Author: Calendars of Patent Rolls of Edward I, 1281–1292 and 1292–1301; Rymer's Fœdera, Record edit. vol. i.; Parl. Writs, i. 819–20; Calendarium Genealogicum; Historic Documents relating to Scotland, 1286–1306 (the documents in ii. 158, 181, 296, and 305 are either misdated or refer to the younger John); Rishanger, Flores Historiarum, Knighton, Annals of Worcester and Osney (all in Rolls Series); Trivet and Hemingburgh (both in English Hist. Soc.); Guillaume de Nangis (Soc. de L'Histoire de France); Nicolas's Siege of Carlaverock, pp. 42, 46, 50 (with short biographies of both father and son, pp. 244–8 and pp. 281–3); Wardrobe Accounts of Edward I, 1787; Dugdale's Baronage, i. 463–5, 539; Burrows's Family of the Brocas of Beaurepaire.]
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Note: SAINT-JOHN, JOHN de (d. 1302), lieutenant of Aquitaine, was the son of Robert de Saint-John and his wife Agnes, daughter of William de Cantelupe. His grandfather, William de Saint-John, was the son of Adam de Port [q. v.], by his marriage with Mabel, the granddaughter and heiress of Roger de Saint-John. In virtue of inheriting Roger's estates, William assumed the name of Saint-John, describing himself as ‘William de Saint-John, son and heir of Adam de Port.’ The Ports had been an important Hampshire family, having their chief seat at Basing, near Basingstoke, which continued to be the centre of the Saint-John influence.
Robert de Saint-John died in 1267 (Worcester Annals, p. 457), whereupon John received livery of his lands. John also succeeded his father as governor of Porchester Castle. He held land in six counties—Hampshire, Herefordshire, Berkshire, Warwickshire, Kent, and Sussex (cf. Burrows, Brocas Family of Beaurepaire, p. 364). After Basing, his chief centre of power was Halnaker, near Chichester in Sussex, round which he held four manors (cf. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1281–92, p. 67). In November 1276 he was one of the magnates present at the council at which judgment was given against Llywelyn of Wales. In 1277 and in 1282 he took part in Edward I's two great invasions of Wales, and in 1283 was summoned to the Shrewsbury parliament. On 26 April 1286 he received letters of protection for one year on going abroad with the king, and on 16 May nominated Thomas of Basing, clerk, as his attorney in England (ib. pp. 239, 247). His absence, however, was prolonged beyond that period (ib. p. 277), and during Edward I's three years' residence in Aquitaine, between 1286 and 1289, he seems to have been in constant attendance on him. He was busied, for example, in negotiations resulting from Edward's mediation between the kings of Aragon and Naples, and in October 1288 was one of the hostages handed over to Aragon to secure the conditions upon which the prince of Salerno had been released (Fœdera, i. 690). He thus first gained that exceptional experience in Aquitanian affairs that accounts for his subsequent employment in Edward's south French duchy. He was back in England before 2 Feb. 1289 (cf. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1281–92, p. 346). In May 1290 he attended parliament.
On 29 Oct. 1290 Saint-John again received letters of protection for a year, as going abroad on the king's service, but he did not appoint his attorneys until 8 Jan. 1291 (ib. pp. 392, 413). He was now despatched on a mission to Nicholas IV as regards the crusading tenth and the projected crusade (Fœdera, i. 743). In March he was at Tarascon, dealing with business arising out of Edward I's mediation between Sicily and Aragon (ib. i. 744–5). Again, in November, he was once more quitting England for the continent (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1281–92, p. 449). In November 1292 he was in Scotland attending on the king (Hist. Doc. Scotland, i. 371). Various grants followed these services (cf. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1281–92, pp. 465, 483, 511).
In 1293 the relations between Edward I and Philip the Fair became unfriendly, and Saint-John was again despatched to Gascony to act as the king's lieutenant, with two thousand livres tournois as his stipend. His administration of Aquitaine was just and popular (Walter de Hemingburgh, ii. 49). He specially busied himself with strengthening and provisioning the fortified towns and castles, and in providing adequate garrisons for them (Rishanger, Chron. p. 139). Meanwhile, however, Edmund of Lancaster had been tricked into allowing Philip the Fair the temporary possession of the Gascon strongholds. On 3 Feb. 1294 Saint-John received instructions from Edmund to deliver seisin of Gascony to its overlord (Fœdera, i. 793; Champollion Figeac, Lettres des Rois et des Reines d'Angleterre, i. 406–8). He accordingly admitted the French into the castles, sold off the provisions and stores that he had collected, and returned to England by way of Paris (Trivet, p. 330; Rishanger, p. 141; Flores Hist. iii. 271).
Philip treacherously kept possession of Gascony, and Edward I prepared to recover his inheritance by force. Unable to go to Gascony in person, Edward, on 1 July 1294, appointed his nephew John of Brittany as his lieutenant in Aquitaine with Saint-John as seneschal and chief counsellor (Fœdera, i. 85). The expedition finally left Plymouth on 1 Oct. (Hemingburgh, ii. 46–9; cf. Fœdera, i. 808). On 28 Oct. the Gironde was reached. On 31 Oct. Macau was captured. Bourg and Blaye were next subdued, and the fleet sailed up the Garonne to Bordeaux; but, failing to capture so great a town, it went higher up stream to Rions, which was captured, along with Podensac and Villeneuve. Leaving John of Brittany at Rions, Saint-John went, by river and sea, to Bayonne, and attacked the town. On 1 Jan. 1295 the citizens of Bayonne, with whom he was very popular, drove the French garrison into the castle and opened their gates to him. Saint-John sent the ringleaders of the French party to England and attacked the castle, which surrendered eleven days later (Trivet, pp. 334–5; Rishanger, p. 147; Worcester Ann. p. 520). These great successes caused many Gascons to join the English army.
Charles of Valois, the brother of Philip the Fair, now invaded Aquitaine and won back most of Saint-John's conquests in the Garonne valley. Both Saint-John and John of Brittany strove to defend Rions, but became so alarmed at the fall of the neighbouring towns that they abandoned the place, and the French re-entered on 8 April (Guillaume de Nangis, i. 288–9). Much quieter times ensued. In 1296 Edmund of Lancaster took the command, and, after his death, Henry de Lacy, third earl of Lincoln [q. v.] But the brunt of the hard work still fell on Saint-John, who continued to be seneschal. Bayonne remained the centre of the English power, and on 28 Jan. 1297 Saint-John marched with Lincoln to convey provisions to Bellegarde, which was closely besieged by Robert, count of Artois. The army passed through Peyrehorade in safety, and, approaching a wood within three miles of Bellegarde, was divided into two divisions, of which Saint-John led the former. Beyond the wood he was suddenly attacked by the French. Saint-John, though outnumbered, fought bravely; but Lincoln and the second division failed to give him proper support. Night approached, and the Gascon contingent ran away. Supported only by the English knights, Saint-John was utterly defeated, and taken prisoner along with ten other knights (Trivet, pp. 353–4; Rishanger, pp. 168–9; Knighton, i. 363, who calls the place ‘Helregard;’ Langtoft, ii. 280–2; Hemingburgh, ii. 74–6, gives a rather different account, which seeks to explain away the English defeat; (Guillaume de Nangis, i. 295, says that night alone prevented Lincoln's destruction). The prisoners were sent in triumph to Paris, and the French rejoiced over Saint-John's capture as the Philistines rejoiced over that of Samson (Flores Hist. iii. 100). Saint-John was only released after the treaty of L'Aumône in the summer of 1299. His captivity involved him in heavy debts, and on 3 Nov. 1299 he was forced to pledge four of his manors for sixteen years to the merchants of the society of the Buonsignori of Siena (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1292–1301, p. 482).
The Scots war soon furnished Saint-John with new occupation. On 3 Jan. 1300 he was appointed the king's lieutenant and captain in Cumberland, Westmoreland, Lancashire, Annandale, and the other marches west of Roxburgh (ib. p. 484). He was soon busy raising troops and receiving submissions of the Scots favourable to Edward (Hist. Doc. Scotland, ii. 407–8). In the famous siege of Carlaverock in 1300, Saint-John took a conspicuous part, being entrusted with the custody of Edward, the king's son, who was then making his first campaign (Nicolas, Siege of Carlaverock, pp. 42, 46, 50). In 1301 he is described as warden of Galloway and the sheriffdom of Dumfries, as well as of the adjacent marches (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1292–1301, p. 590). In the spring of that year he was appointed, with Earl Warenne and others, to treat at Canterbury of a peace between the English and the Scots with the envoys of Philip the Fair (ib. p. 580). The entries against Saint-John's name in the wardrobe accounts of the twenty-eighth year of Edward I show in detail his losses, confidential charges, and retinue as lieutenant of the western marches (Liber Quotidianus Garderobæ, pp. 176, 183, 200, London, 1787). In January 1301 Saint-John was at the Lincoln parliament, and signed the famous letter of the barons to the pope (Fœdera, i. 926; the description of the signatory as ‘lord of Halnaker’ shows clearly that it was John, and not his son). On 12 July 1302 he was with the king at Westminster (Fœdera, i. 941), but must soon have returned to his border command. He died on Thursday, 6 Sept. 1302, at Lochmaben Castle (‘Ann. London,’ in Stubbs, Chron. Edward I and Edward II, i. 128). He is described as a ‘most faithful and most valiant knight’ (Flores Hist. iii. 387), as ‘discreet, strenuous in arms, and experienced in battles’ (Trivet). ‘No more valiant and prudent man could be found’ (Siege of Carlaverock, p. 46). His arms were argent, on a chief gules, two mullets or, and his crest a lion passant between two palm branches (Siege of Carlaverock, p. 248; Archæological Journal, xxi. 224–6).
Saint-John's wife was Alice, daughter of Reginald FitzPeter, who survived him. Their eldest son, John, was either twenty-eight or thirty years old at his father's death (Calendarium Genealogicum, p. 624), and succeeded to his estates. He had already been for some years actively engaged in war and politics, had fought at Falkirk in 1298 and Carlaverock in 1300 (Gough, Scotland in 1298, p. 152), and had been summoned to parliament in 1299 as ‘John de Saint-John junior.’ The peerage writers take this summons as the beginning of the ‘barony by writ’ (G. E. C., Complete Peerage, i. 256; Nicolas,
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