Joan Dinham

• Preferred Name: Joan Dinham^{[1] [2] [3]}
  
• Gender: F
  
• LdsBaptism: 24 FEB 1995 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• AFN: with note: Description: 9Q2K-C8 Modified | History 21 March 2012
  
• Birth: ABT 1253 in England
  
• Alt. Death: 22 FEB 1309 in Bodmin, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.4712 LONG: E4.719
  
• Burial: AFT 1308 in Bodmin, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.4712 LONG: E4.719
  
• LdsSealingToParents: 16 AUG 1995 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• Death: AFT 1308 in Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.2512 LONG: E5.0668
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Baroness of Treloweth
  
• LdsEndowment: 26 JUL 1995 with note: GEDCOM data
  
• FSID: LZVF-189
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  can someone provide source to support her last name, parent and birth/death info.
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.42; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
  
  === SOURCE:Visitations of Cornwall by Vivian ===
  SOURCE:Visitations of Cornwall by Vivian, 1620 p 72 Carminhow Pedigree. Johanna, Ped. fin. 14 Edw II, no 1. Obit. Grey Friars, Bodmin, between 1299 and 1329 dominie Johannae de Kaermynaw. William of Worcester.
  === Life Sketch ===
  can someone provide source to support her last name, parent and birth/death info.
  
  === SOURCE:Visitations of Cornwall by Vivian ===
  SOURCE:Visitations of Cornwall by Vivian, 1620 p 72 Carminhow Pedigree. Johanna, Ped. fin. 14 Edw II, no 1. Obit. Grey Friars, Bodmin, between 1299 and 1329 dominie Johannae de Kaermynaw. William of Worcester.
  
  === SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
  SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.42; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;

1. Joan Carminow, b. ABT 1290 in St Mewan, Cornwall, England     d. 6 AUG 1349 in Cornwall, England
2. Oliver de Carminow, b. 1278 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England     d. 1345 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England
3. Matilda Beatrice Carminow, b. ABT 1271 in Of, Trenowyth, Cornwall, England    
4. Sir John Carminow, b. ABT 1280 in Cornwall, England     d. 24 NOV 1332 in Grey Friars, Bodmin, Cornwall, England

1. Title: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L Archives: Roger de Carminow and his wife Joan (de Dinham)
   Publication: Name: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2004-04/1082297664;
   Note: From: Therav3@aol.com Subject: Roger de Carminow and his wife Joan (de Dinham) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:14:24 EDT Sunday, 18 April, 2004 Dear Ronnie, Mardi, et al., I a brief fossick for further Dinham details on the PRO, I came upon the following entry (with notes). Despite the relative benefit of brevity, I have included the entire entry for your reference. " AR/35/1 - 2 Carminow Reference: AR/35/1 Creation dates: 1309, Saturday 22nd Feb Scope and Content (Saturday St Peter's Chair, 2 Edw [II]); at Merthin Agreement for assignment of dower Oliver de Carmynou = (1) Lady Joan who was wife of Roger de Carmynou, knight = (2) Agreement between (1) and (2) for assignment of dower to (2) from the manors of Carmynou, Wynienton, Trezeued, Merthin, Kenel, Eglosros, Trelewith, Dysard, Resker and Hornicote, and the advowsons of the churches of Wyteston, Eglosros, Sanctus Rumon Maior and Sanctus Rumon Minor in Tyrhard. (1) has assigned to (2) in name of dower the manors of Merthin and Wynienton, the whole land of Kenel, and £7 worth (librate) of land and rent in the manor of Eglosros, from the following tenements: of Trelong' £4 4s, vill of Trenustel 38s, tenement of John Boya in Penmene 10s, tenement of Alice de eadem 5s, tenement of John Batiz de Eglosros 2s, tenement of John Jacke de Eglosros 12d; for the advowsons of those churches he has assigned to her the advowson of the church of Eglosros with the advowson of the church of Eglosros [sic; read 'with appurtenances']. (2) shall hold all these of (1) during her life in name of dower. Seal [of (2)? Good, showing arms of Carminow (a bend, without the label of three) and of Dinham (five lozenges); 'Sig... Carminno']. Trezeued [= Tretheves, in Landewednack] Trelewith [= Treloweth, in St Mewan] Dysard [= Dizzard, St Gennys] Resker [= Rosecare, in St Gennys] Hornicate [= Hornacaott, in North Tamerton] Wyteston [= Whitstone] Eglosros [= Philleigh] Sanctus Rumon Minor in Tyrhard [= Ruan Minor] Carminno 1309 [seal] Note Note on date: the clause is 'Die Sabbati in festo Beati Petri in Cathedra, anno regni Regis Edwardi secundo'; but 22nd Feb was not a Saturday in 1274, whereas it was so in 1309, so Edward II must be intended though not stated. In any case, Roger de Carminow died in 1308 (the writ for his Ipm. is dated 20th Dec 1308, and the inquisition 16th Jan 1309; [George] Oliver, [Monasticon Dioecesis Exoniensis] his son was then aged over 30). Joan de Carminow was still alive in 1321, Feet of Fines 467; W.Worcs saw her obit in Greyfriars, Bodmin, dated 1299 x 1329. The arms on the shield suggest that Joan was a Dinham by birth, which seems not to be otherwise known (though it is asserted, without authority, by J.P. Yeatman, The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundell, p. 257b)."[1] From the foregoing and the apparent chronology provided therein, and by Ronny Bodine in prior SGM posts [2], it would appear most likely that Joan, wife of Roger de Carminow and mother of (A) Oliver de Carminow and (B) Joan de Carminow, wife of William de Whalesborough, was a sibling of Sir Josce de Dinham (fl. ca. 1273-1300) and a daughter of Sir Oliver de Dinham of Hartland, Nutwell and Ilsington, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham, Cornwall (d. 26 Feb 1298/9). This would add a bit to the ancestry of the Carminow and Whalesborough families. I'd be most interested in your insights and comments on the above. Cheers, John * NOTES: [1] PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/17 - AR/50], AR/35/1] Note: the notation calling Oliver de Carminow "George Oliver, Monasticon Dioecesis Exoniensis" [bracketed above] is a recurrent transcription error in the Arundell files on the PRO. [2] Ronny Bodine, , SGM, 25 Feb 1999: "4. Sir WILLIAM de WALESBRAUS. Born c1288. In 1302 William Bottreux brought Writ of Wardship against Roger Carminow and demanded William, the brother and heir of John de Whalesboro. Roger replied "William whilst your ward married our daughter." Bottreux said, "William de Whalesboro was only 5 years old then, and under 14 now" (Year Book of Edward I, A.D. 1302). He was of age 21 Apr 1309 when Stephen de Bello Prato died holding a 3 acre meadow of William de Whalesbreus in socage and by service of rendering 1d. yearly (CIPM, 5: no. 122). On 11/13 Feb 1312, William de Whalesbrew granted to John de Carmynow the manor of Udnow and the advowson of the Church of St. Piran for the life of the said William (Trigg, 3: 51). Carminow presented to St. Perran-Uthno on 11 Dec 1312 (Reg. Bishop Stapledon, p. 257) and in Feb 1313 regranted the manor and advowson back to William de Whalesbury and Johanna his wife (Trigg, 3: 51). William presented to the church of St. Mawgan-in -Kerrier on 25 Dec 1317 and 31 Oct 1324 (Reg. Bishop Stapledon, p. 255). He died in 1328 and and is named by Risdon with his arms as "Willelmus Whalisburgh de Whalesburgh, knight, Gules, three bandlets argent on a bordure sable, nine bezants" (Notebook of Tristram Risdon, p. 211). As a child of 5, he was married c1293 to Joan (Johanna), daughter of Sir Roger de Carminow, who was Knight of the Shire for Cornwall in 1300 and 1302 and who died in 1308 leaving his son, Oliver, as his heir (Knights of Edward I, 1: 183). In a fine of 10 May 1321, Joan, wife of William de Walesbreu was called a sibling of Oliver de Carminow (Cornwall Feet of Fines, no. 458). In another fine of 13 Oct 1333 she is called Joan, who was the wife of William de Walesbreu (ibid., no. 528). As Joan, relict of William de Whalesbreu, she presented to St. Mawnan-in-Kerrier 23 Feb 1347 and 6 Nov 1348, but apparently died soon after when Sir John de Whalesbreu made the next presentation on 6 Aug 1349 (Reg. of Bishop Grandisson, p. 1365, 1368, 1406). " * John P. Ravilious
   
2. Title: soc.genealogy.medieval: The name of Roger I of Sicily's daughter "Busilla", queen of Hungary
   Publication: Name: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/xsz30LqbApg;
   Note: 2 posts by 2 authors Peter Stewart Jun 9 Other recipients: gen-me...@rootsweb.com For a long time historians believed that the first wife of Kalman, king of Hungary (d 1116) was named "Busilla". She was a daughter of Roger I, most probably by his second wife, Eremburge of Mortain. This was from the error of a 14th-century Italian translator of an 11th-century chronicle, who misread the word "puella" and mistook this for the lady's name. The original account, by Geoffrey Malaterra, did not give her name. In 1963 Walter Holtzmann pointed out the problem and explained how it came about. In 1964 Holtzmann's explanation was accurately related for Hungarian readers by Elemér Mályusz. Neither of them suggested a name for the lady, contenting themselves with noting that she was not called "Buzilla". However, in 1968 Szabolcs de Vajay invented the name Felicia for her, with a false explanation that he repeated in 1972 - according to him (citing only Holtzmann, who had said nothing of the kind), her name was supposedly given in a Siciilian diploma written in Greek as "Eleutheria" (it wasn't). Vajay then asserted, wrongly, that the Latin form of Eleutheria was "Felicia" (eleutheria means freedom, not felicity that is usually 'eutuchia'), and that this was the lady's name. He sought to justify his bogus claim by analogy with Felicia of Roucy (the second wife of Sancho IV of Aragon), who he said was close to the Sicilian ruler's family (in fact she was a sister-in-law of one of the Hungarian queen's many first cousins).
   
3. Title: Online _ Dinham
   Note: Joanna Dinham d/o sir, Geoffrey Dinham, Knt, & b- 1249 - Hartland, Devonshire,England m- sir, Roger Carminow, Crusader d - 22 Feb 1308 - Trelowyth manor, St Mawan, Cornwall,England