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Oliver de Carminow
- Preferred Name: Oliver de Carminow[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]
- Gender: M
- Alternate Death Date: 1330 IPM in Bodmin, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.4712 LONG: E4.719 with note: Modified | History
1 May 2017 by HessMarciaLynn1
- Occupation: Man at Arms with note: Find a Grave: Sir Oliver de Carmynowe
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Knight with note: It was stated above by his name.
- LdsSealingToParents: 9 MAR 1993 with note: GEDCOM data
- held £40 in lands: 1322 (17 Edw. II) with note: Find a Grave: Sir Oliver de Carmynowe
- Occupation: Knight of the Shire1313 (7 Edw. II.) with note: Find a Grave: Sir Oliver de Carmynowe
- LdsEndowment: 25 FEB 1993 with note: GEDCOM data
- Death: 1345 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.2512 LONG: E5.0668
- FSID: LZGB-L3L
- Birth: 1278 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.2512 LONG: E5.0668
- LdsBaptism: 1 SEP 1992 with note: GEDCOM data
- Occupation: Commissioner of Array1325 (19 Edw. II.) in Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.2512 LONG: E5.0668 with note: Find a Grave: Sir Oliver de Carmynowe
- Burial: 1345 in Bodmin, Cornwall, England at LATI: N0.4712 LONG: E4.719
- AFN: with note: Description: 9T36-R4
- Notes:
=== !PRF CD #9 ===
!PRF CD #9
=== Chamberlain to Richard II ===
Chamberlain to Richard II
=== Elizabeth/Pomeroy ===
Elizabeth/Pomeroy
=== !From Ancestral File (TM), dated 2 Janua ===
!From Ancestral File (TM), dated 2 January 1996
=== Line 530 from GEDCOM File not recognizab ===
Line 530 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. Line 245 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. Line 553 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. Line 140 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. Line 142 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. Line 33 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. Line 33 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
=== ! ! IGI 1994 edition. ! RELATIONSHIP: P ===
! ! IGI 1994 edition. ! RELATIONSHIP: Patron, H. Reed Black, is 18th G G Son.
=== Line 33 from GEDCOM File not recognizabl ===
Line 33 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
=== Oliver De Carminow- Knight ===
Oliver De Carminow- Knight
=== Ancestral File Number: 9T36-R4 ===
Ancestral File Number: 9T36-R4
=== Line 7209 from GEDCOM File not recogniza ===
Line 7209 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England Line 111 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England
=== !Pedigree chart from information from hi ===
!Pedigree chart from information from hired professional researcher for family org.; 1995 IGI
=== Man at arms ===
=== ?? Line 256331: (New PAF RIN=16978) 1 BU ===
?? Line 256331: (New PAF RIN=16978) 1 BURI 2 PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England
=== 2 Isoul/Ferrers ===
2 Isoul/Ferrers
=== !NOTE: Ancestors of John Walton Frank.; ===
!NOTE: Ancestors of John Walton Frank.; ; ; ; ;
=== !NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Lat ===
!NOTE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Ancestral File (TM); ; June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998; ; , Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
=== From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
=== ?? Line 17278: (New PAF RIN=3952) 1 BURI ===
?? Line 17278: (New PAF RIN=3952) 1 BURI 2 PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England
=== GIVN Oliver De
SURN Carminow
NSFX Knight ===
GIVN Oliver De
SURN Carminow
NSFX Knight
ABBR "FamilySearchʾ Ancestral File´
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AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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TITL "Genealogical Research of Kirk Larson"
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REPO @R23@
EVEN Knighthood
TYPE Unknown
ABBR "Genealogical Research of Kirk Larson"
TITL "Genealogical Research of Kirk Larson"
AUTH Larson, Kirk
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BAPTISM-DATE Done
ENDOWMENT-DATE Done
S2P-DATE Done
DATE 20 Mar 2002
TIME 00:00Name Prefix: Sir.
Name Suffix: Knight
REFN: HWS48422
Ancestral File Number: 9T36-R4
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\knight.gif
=== Line in Record @I04327@ (RIN 4270) from ===
Line in Record @I04327@ (RIN 4270) from GEDCOM file not recognized: FAMILY_SPOUSE @F1675@ Line in Record @I04327@ (RIN 4270) from GEDCOM file not recognized: FAMILY_CHILD @F1418@
=== From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J ===
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
=== !Ancestal file ===
!Ancestal file
=== SOURCE: Visitations of Cornwall 1620 by ===
SOURCE: Visitations of Cornwall 1620 by Vivian, Carminhow Pedigree,pp 72,73. Oliver Carminhow was a Kt, age 30 at death of his father, Knight of shire 7 Edw II man at arms, held [40 in lands 17 Edw II. Com of Array, Corn 19 Edw II. By Inq p.m. 6 Edw III, no 59, Oliver Carminowe held in Trelowyth, Egboro, & c, of John de Dynham, which Roger his father held.
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.40, 42; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== A22112-5 D 183 p.286 III Parochial Hist. ===
A22112-5 D 183 p.286 III Parochial Hist. of Cornwall pp296, 33,34 Harlein, Visitations of Cornwall
=== Name Suffix: Knight Ancestral File ===
Name Suffix: Knight Ancestral File Number: 9T36-R4
=== ?? Line 1789: (New PAF RIN=5922) 1 BURI ===
?? Line 1789: (New PAF RIN=5922) 1 BURI 2 PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England
=== Line 511 from GEDCOM File not recognizab ===
Line 511 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996. Line 143 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
=== Line 398 from GEDCOM File not recognizab ===
Line 398 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England Line 1315 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long: BURI PLAC Grey Friar's Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
Preferred Parents:
Father: Roger Carminow, b. ABT 1240 in Cornwall, England d. ABT 1308
Mother: Joan Dinham, b. ABT 1253 in England d. AFT 1308 in Cornwall, England
Family 1: Isabel de Ferrers, b. in Cornwall, England d. in Cornwall, England
Family 2: Elizabeth Pomeroy, b. 1291 in Upholland, Lancashire, England d. 16 JUL 1332 in Cornwall, England
- m. 1311 in Trenoweth, Crowan, Cornwall, England, UK
- m. ABT 1311 in Cornwall, England
Family 3: Elizabeth de Holland, b. ABT 1260 in Upholland, Lancashire, England d. 1332 in Lenn, Wiltshire, England
- Elizabeth Carminow, b. ABT 1314 d. 1363
Family 4: Isolde Ferrers, b. 1285 in Bere Ferrers, Tavistock, Devonshire, England d. 1337 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England
- Johanna Carminow, b. 1316 in St Mewan, Cornwall, England d. 1416 in England
Sources:
- Title: Additional Inquisitions Post Mortem (IPMs) for John Arundell, knight
Author: King's College London, 2014. | Mapping the Medieval Countryside [online]. Available at http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/25-609/ [Accessed: 28/1/2020]
Publication: Name: http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/25-609/;
Note: JOHN ARUNDELL, KNIGHT
609 Commission. ‡ 14 March 1442. [Bate].
Addressed to Nicholas Radeford , Richard Trelauny, esquire , Michael Power, esquire , William Mohun , Walter Moyll , Richard Penpons , and the escheator of Devon and Cornwall [CPR 1441–46, p. 78]. It was lately found by various inquisitions, taken in 1435 [CIPM XXIV, nos 386–7], that John Arundell, knight , held no lands or tenements of the king in chief in demesne or service. The king is now given to understand that John Arundell did hold various lands and tenements of the king in chief as well as of others in demesne and in service. Order to at least two of them to inquire as writ diem clausit extremum. The sheriffs of Devon and Cornwall are to empanel juries.
CORNWALL. Inquisition. Launceston. 17 April 1442.
[Inquisition: ms galled down right-hand side.]
Before Richard Trelauny, esquire , and Richard Penpons .
Nicholas Carmynowe, esquire ; Mark Borlas ; John Trewynt ; Richard Coswyn ; Walter Trembethowe ; David Tregarrek ; Thomas Polkynhorne ; Joyce (Joceus) Selgena; John Polkynhorne ; Roger Wollaye ; John Logosek ; and John Tredidan .
A fine was levied at Westminster on the octave of St John the Baptist 1319 [CP 25/1/32/17, no. 19], before William de Bereford , Gilbert de Roubiry , John de Benstede , John Bacun , and John de Mutford , justices and others present, between Oliver Carmynowe and Elizabeth his wife, querents, and Matthew de Penfern, clerk, deforciant , regarding the manors of Carminow and Trethevas, one messuage, 100 a. wood, and 3 ferlings 2 1/4 a. land in Whitstone, Philleigh, Treloweth, and Sticker, and advowsons of the churches of Ruan Major, Philleigh, and Whitstone. Oliver recognised the tenements and advowsons to be the right of Matthew as held by grant of Oliver and, for this recognition, Matthew granted the tenements and advowsons to Oliver and Elizabeth, and the heirs of their bodies, with remainder to various other persons, as recorded in the fine. Furthermore, another fine was levied at Westminster three weeks from Easter 1321 [CP 25/1/32/18, no. 1], before William de Bereford , John de Mutford , and John de Stonore , justices and others present, between Oliver Carmynowe and Elizabeth his wife, querents, with John Bylion , attorney, appointed by the king’s writ in place of Elizabeth, and Matthew de Penfern, clerk, deforciant , regarding the manors of Merthen, Winnianton, and Kennall, 1/4 a. land in Philleigh, and advowson of the church of Philleigh. Oliver recognised the tenements and advowson to be the right of Matthew and, for that recognition, Matthew granted, for him and his heirs, that the tenements and advowson, then held in dower by Joan who was wife of Roger Carmynowe , from the inheritance of Matthew, with reversion to Matthew and his heirs, should instead remain to Oliver and Elizabeth, and the heirs of their bodies, holding the manors of the king and his heirs and the 1/4 a. and advowson of the chief lords of that fee. Oliver and Elizabeth had issue: Roger, Elizabeth, and Maud. Elizabeth, daughter, afterwards married John Arundell, knight , and Maud married John Trevarthian . Oliver and Elizabeth his wife afterwards died. Roger entered the tenements and advowson by virtue of the fine, and was thus seised. He had issue: Thomas Carmynowe, knight , and died, and Thomas then entered the tenements and advowson. Thomas had issue: Thomas, and died. Thomas son of Thomas entered the tenements and advowson and had issue: Joan, and died. Joan then entered the tenements and advowson. She died without heir of her body and, after her death, the tenements and advowson descended to John Arundell, knight , named in the commission, and to John Trevarthian , kin and heirs of Joan viz., John Arundell, knight, as the son of John Arundell, knight , son of John Arundell and Elizabeth daughter of Oliver and Elizabeth, and John Trevarthian as the son of John Trevarthian and Maud, the other daughter of Oliver and Elizabeth. Partition was afterwards made regarding the manors, lands, and tenements in the fines above; and the manors of Carminow, Winnianton, and Kennall, the tenement in Philleigh, 100 a. wood in Treloweth and Sticker, 30 a. wood in Merthen, with advowsons of the churches of Philleigh and Whitstone were allocated to John Arundell, knight, named in the commission.n514 He afterwards died seised of this estate.
Carminow, the manor, held of the bishop of Exeter , service unknown. There are 14 messuages, each worth 6s. 8d. yearly; 2 watermills, worth 13s. 4d. yearly; 700 a. arable, each acre worth 4d. yearly; 4 a. wood, worth 2s. yearly; 300 a. pasture, each acre worth 2d. yearly; and 60s. rent.
Philleigh, [1/4 a. land] and advowson of the church there are worth nothing yearly.
Treloweth and Sticker, 100 a. wood, worth 10s. yearly.
The [land], advowson, and wood are held of the bishop of Exeter , service unknown.
Whitstone, advowson the church [no other information given].
Winnianton, the manor, held of the king in chief as of his castle of Launceston as of his duchy of Cornwall as 1/20 knight’s fee for all services. There are 10 a. meadow, each acre worth 4d. yearly.
Kennall, the manor, held of the king in chief as of the same castle as of the duchy of Cornwall as 1/4 knight’s fee and 13s. 6d. rent yearly. There are 12 a. wood, worth nothing yearly above enclosure.
There are also in the manors of Winnianton and Kennall 24 messuages, each worth 6s. yearly; 2 mills, worth 10s. yearly; and 300 a. arable, each acre worth 2d. yearly.
Merthen, 30 a. wood, worth 12d. yearly, held of the king in chief as of the same castle by knight service.
A fine was levied at York one month from Michaelmas 1334 [CP 25/1/286/38, no. 160], before William de Herle , John de Stonore , William de Shareshull , John de Cantebrigge , John Juge , John de Shardelowe , and John Trevaignon , justices and others present, between John Arundell, chevalier, querent , and Ralph Arundell, parson of St Columb Major , and John de Aldestowe, deforciants , regarding, among other things, the manor of Trembleath, 1/3 manor Treloy, 4 a. 2 ferlings of land, 55 a. reeds, 55 a. heath, £4 4s. 3d. rent, 1/3 mill, and 1/3 garden in Mitchell, Tregustick, Tregolls, Tregawne, Tredrizzick, Treglyn (Tynglun), ‘Vyrly’, Keiro Veor, Carlumb, and Trevanger, the manor of Connerton, except 5 a. land in the same manor, and advowson of the church of the same manor. John Arundell recognised the manors, tenements, thirds, and advowson to be the right of John de Aldestowe, of which John and Ralph held 2 parts of the manor of Connerton and the advowson by grant of John Arundell. For that recognition, Ralph and John de Aldestowe granted the 2 parts of the manor and the advowson to John Arundell for life.n515 Furthermore, Ralph and John de Aldestowe granted for them and the heirs of John that the manor of Trembleath, 1/3 manor of Treloy, the land, reeds, heath, rent, and 1/3 mill and garden, and 1/3 manor of Connerton then held in dower by Joan, who was wife of John Arundell , from the inheritancen516 of John de Aldestowe , with reversion to Ralph and John de Aldestowe, and the heirs of John, should instead remain to John Arundell for life, with successive remainders to John son of John Arundell and his heirs by Elizabeth, daughter of Oliver Carmynowe ; and to the right heirs of John Arundell . John Arundell, chevalier , was seised in demesne as of fee of 2 parts of the manor of Treloy and, thus seised, he granted them to John his son and Elizabeth daughter of Oliver, and the heirs of John of the body of Elizabeth. They were thus seised, viz., John in demesne as of fee tail, and Elizabeth.... John son of John afterwards married Elizabeth, and they had issue: John Arundell of Lanherne. John Arundell of Lanherne had issue: John Arundel, knight , named in the commission. John Arundell, chevalier, Joan who was wife of John Arundell, John son of John and Elizabeth his wife, and John Arundell of Lanherne all afterwards died and all the manors, lands, tenements, reeds, heath, rent, 2 parts and third, with advowson of the church descended to John Arundell, knight, named in the commission. He was thus seised by virtue of the grant and fine, and died seised of this estate.
Trembleath, the manor, annual value £12, held of the bishop of Exeter, service unknown.
Treloy, the manor, annual value £20, held of Nicholas Carru, knight , John Coulyng , Henry, earl of Warwick , and John son of John Hill, service unknown.
Mitchell, Tregustick, Tregolls, Tregawne, Tredrizzick, Treglyn (Tynglun), ‘Vyrly’, Keiro Veor, Carlumb, and Trevanger, 4 a. 2 ferlings of land, 55 a. reeds, and 55 a. heath, annual value 100s., held of the bishop of Exeter , Henry, earl of Warwick , Leonard Stapulton , and Humphrey Bevyle , service unknown. The 1/3 mill and garden, annual value 12d., are held of the same bishop, John Trenewyth , and John de Caryhas , service unknown.
Connerton, the manor, annual value £40, held of William Palton, knight, by knight service.
A fine was levied at Westminster on the octave of Michaelmas 1372 [CP 25/1/288/50, no. 753], before William de Fyncheden, John Moubray, William de Wychyngham, and Roger de Kyrketon, justices, and afterwards granted and recorded on the octave of Hilary 1374 before the same justices, between John Arundell and Joan his wife, querents, and John Roskyer and Walter Shyef, deforciants, regarding, among other things, 20 messuages, 6 carucates of land, 40 a. pasture, 20 a. wood, and 60s. rent in Penpoll, Crantock, Nancolleth, Trencreek, Trebelzue, Langurra, Trevowah, Trevella, Halwyn, Treveglos, Pentire, Trenance, Treguth, Pentirevean, Menna, Kestle, Trelavour, Trebudannon, ‘Mingham’, Ennis, Trethowell, Rinsey, Hendra, Truro, and Penryn. John and Joan recognised the messuages etc. to be the right of John Roskyer, of which John
Page: Mentioned in this source.
- Title: Book - Visitations of Cornwall
Author: Google Books
Note: sir, Oliver Carminow, Knt,
eldest son & heir of Roger Carminow & Joanna
b-1278 - age 30 1308 -Cornwall
m- 1- Elizabeth Pomeroy
2- Isolda d/o Raynold Ferrers
d - 1330 - IPM -Trelowyth, Cornwall,England
no date - Joanna his mother, who was w/o Roger Carminow , settled in him & his wife Elizabeth & the heirs of therr bodies,
in deafult of heirs, then to John, Richard & Minatus, brothers of said Oliver,
and in deafult of them of heirs, then to
William Whalesborough & Jane his wife
1321 - Cornwall - Oliver Carmonow & Elizabeth his wife - vs- Matthew Penern
lands in Egloerusa, WynWynton
which Oliver & Elizabeth held in marriage, & which Joanna, who was wife of Roger Carminow ,
held in marriage (she was mother of Oliver)
- Title: Oliver (Sir) Carminow in the Millennium File
Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?did=17&pidlist=7249-10281142&o_iid=39552&o_lid=39552&o_sch=Web+Property&gss=angs&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=10281142&dbid=7249&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1;
Note: Name: Oliver (Sir) Carminow
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1284
Spouse: Elizabeth Pomeroy
Children: Elizabeth Carminow; Matilda Maud Carmino
- Title: Wikiwand: Knights of the Shire
Publication: Name: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Knights_of_the_Shire;
Note: Knights of the shire (Latin: "milites comitatus") was the formal title for members of parliament (MPs) representing a county constituency in the UK House of Commons, from its origins in the medieval Parliament of England until the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 ended the practice of each UK county (or shire) forming a single constituency. The corresponding titles for other MPs were burgess in a borough constituency (or citizen if the borough had city status) and baron for a Cinque Ports constituency. Knights of the shire had more prestige than burgesses, and sitting burgesses often stood for election for the shire in the hope of increasing their standing in Parliament.
The name "knight of the shire" originally implied that the representative had to be a knight, and the writ of election referred to a belted knight until the 19th century; but by the 14th century men who were not knights were commonly elected. An act of Henry VI stipulated that those eligible for election were knights and "such notable esquires and gentlemen as have estates sufficient to be knights, and by no means of the degree of yeoman".
From Simon de Montfort's Parliament in 1265, each shire sent two knights, and the number was standard until 1826 when Yorkshire gained two additional knights after the disfranchisement of Grampound borough. Under the Great Reform Act of 1832 counties with larger populations sent more knights than smaller ones. The Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 split each multiple-seat shire into multiple single-seat divisions. This change, together with the concomitant standardisation of the franchise, means that county and borough constituencies now differ only slightly, as to election expenses and their type of returning officer.
The term "knight of the shire" is now used informally for senior backbenchers from the Conservative Party representing rural constituencies in England and Wales.
- Title: Oliver de Carmynowe, "Find A Grave Index"
Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGR-WYCD : 4 July 2020), Oliver de Carmynowe, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID , Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGR-WYCD;
- Title: Find a Grave: Sir Oliver de Carmynowe
Publication: Name: https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=129576805&ref=acom;
Note: Birth: 1278
Cornwall, England
Death: 1345
Cornwall, England
Oliver was the son and heir of Roger de Carmynowe and Joanna de Dinham.
He was aged 30 years at the death of his father. Knight of the shire 7 Edw. II. Man at Arms, held £40 in lands 17 Edw. II. Com. of Array, Cornwall, 19 Edw. II.
He married first Elizabeth Pomeroy about 1311.
They were the parents of:
Elizabeth who married John de Arundell
Matilda (Maud) who married John Trevarthian
Roger married who Elizabeth Botreaux
Oliver married secondly Isoda de Ferrieres.
They were the parents of
Johanna who married John le Petit
Margaret who married Simon de Berkeley
Family links:
Parents:
Roger Carminowe (____ - 1308)
Joanna Dinham Carminowe (1248 - ____)
Spouse:
Elizabeth de la Pomeroy de Carmynowe (1291 - 1332)
Burial:
Grey Friars
Bodmin
Cornwall Unitary Authority
Cornwall, England
Created by: Kat
Record added: May 10, 2014
Find A Grave Memorial# 129576805
- Title: Geni: Sir Oliver of Carminowe
Author: Sir Oliver Carminowe, Knight Birthdate: 1274 (69) Birthplace: Carminowe, Cornwall , England Death: Died December 23, 1343 in Carminowe, Cornwall , England Place of Burial: Grey Friar`s Church, Bodmin, Cornwall, England Immediate Family: Son of Sir Roger "Crusader" de Carminow, and Joanna de Dinham Husband of Elizabeth Carminowe; Elizabeth de Pomeroy and Isolda de Ferrers Father of Sir Roger Carminow, of Carmynowe; John Carminow; Elizabeth Arundel; Thomas Carminow; Richard Carminow and 3 others Brother of Joan de Carminow; Matilda (Beatrice) de Carminow; Minanus de Carminow; Reginald de Carminow; John de Carminow and 5 others Occupation: Chamberlain to King Richard II of England, Lord Chamberlain Managed by: Private User Last Updated: May 5, 2017
Publication: Name: https://www.geni.com/people/Sir-Oliver-of-Carminowe/6000000003139553645;
Note: About Sir Oliver of Carminowe
Primary Sources
Heirs of the Carmynowe manors, lands, and tenements taken from the Inquisition Post Mortem held in 1396 for Joan daughter of Thomas Carmynowe and the Inquisitions Post Mortem held in 1442 for John Arundell .
Oliver Carmynowe and Elizabeth his wife had issue: Roger, Elizabeth, and Maud.
Elizabeth, daughter, afterwards married John Arundell, knight, and Maud married John Trevarthian.
Roger had issue: Thomas Carmynowe, knight
Thomas had issue: Thomas
Thomas had issue: Joan
Joan died without heir of her body.
John Arundell, aged 28 years, and John Trevarthian aged 36 years, were her heirs.
John Arundell was son of John Arundell, knight, son of Elizabeth, daughter of Oliver Carmynowe, knight and John Trevarthian was son of Maud another daughter of the said Oliver Carmynowe, knight.
Partition was afterwards made of the Carmynowe manors, lands, and tenements. The manors of Carminow, Winnianton, and Kennall, the tenement in Philleigh, 100 a. wood in Treloweth and Sticker, 30 a. wood in Merthen, with advowsons of the churches of Philleigh and Whitstone were allocated to John Arundell, knight.
Oliver Carmynowe and Isolda his wife had issue: Margery and Joan
From the Inquisitions Post Mortem held in 1427 for John Cheynduyt.
Oliver Carmynowe, knight, was formerly seised in his demesne as of fee of the manors of Treverras and St Mawes, which he gave to the same Simon Berkley in frank-marriage with Margery his daughter.
Bartholomew was their son and heir
Benedict was his son and heir
Joan was his daughter and heir
John Cheynduyt was her son and heir, who died without heir of his body.
The manors reverted to John Petyt, esquire, as John’s kinsman and heir as son of Michael son of Joan daughter of Oliver. John Petyt was aged 60 years and more.
Notes
Oliver Carminowe
born 1274 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England
died 23 Dec 1343 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England
buried in the church of the Grey Friars, at Bodmin, Cornwall
father: Sir Roger Carminowe (1240-1308)
Joan de Dinham (died after 22 Feb 1309)
From The visitation of Cornwall in 1530:
From An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall: To which ..., Volume 2, Part 1 By Charles Sandoe Gilbert
Oliver Carminowe, a person of great note in the time of Richard I], to whom, he had the honor of being lord-chamberlain. He died, (apparently very aged) in 1345, and was buried (together with Elizabeth, his lady, sister of John Holland, duke of Exeter,) in the church of the Grey Friars, at Bodmin, where they were for some time represented in efligy, she with a coronet, and he with his legs across.
family
Married:
on 1305 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England to Elizabeth Pomeroy. Daughter of Henry de Pomeroy & Amice de Camville
before 1314 to Elizabeth Holland. Daughter of Thomas de Holland & Joan Plantagenet. (this marriage is not noted in the Visitations of Cornwall)
in 1333 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England to Isolda Ferrers. Daughter of Reginald Ferrers & Margaret Dennis. Was she also known as Sibella?
Sir John Petit married Joan daughter of Oliver Caminowe, not Margaret daughter of Thomas Caminowe. That error has come from an unreliable version of the Petit pedigree published in the Visitation of Cornwall 1620.
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Sir Oliver of Carminowe's Timeline
1274
1274
Birth of Oliver
Carminowe, Cornwall , England
1312
1312
Age 38
Birth of Sir Roger Carminow, of Carmynowe
Of, Trenowyth, Cornwall, England
1313
1313
Age 39
Birth of John Carminow
Trenowyth, Cornwall, England
1314
January 1314
Age 40
Birth of Elizabeth Arundel
Lanherne, Cornwall, England
1316
1316
Age 42
Birth of Margery Berkeley
Trenowyth, Cornwall, England
1323
1323
Age 49
Birth of Johanna Petit
St Mewan, Cornwall, , England
1332
1332
Age 58
Birth of Thomas Carminow
Trenowyth, Cornwall, England
1338
1338
Age 64
Birth of Richard Carminow
Trenowyth, Cornwall, England
1339
1339
Age 65
Birth of Maud Trevarthian
Trenowyth, Cornwall, England
1343
December 23, 1343
Age 69
Death of Oliver
Carminowe, Cornwall , England
- Title: Book - The Geneaogist notes & queries
Author: Google Books
Note: sir, Oliver Carminow
s/o sir Roger Carminow & Joanna
1321 - Patent roll - Cornwall - OLIVER Carminow, brother & heir of Roger Carminow, -granted to -
John Carminow his brother
the reversion of the manor of Tamerton
(his elder brother Roger Carminow was in Holy Orders)
- Title: Sir Oliver de Carmynowe in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Author: Name: Sir Oliver de Carmynowe Birth Date: 1278 Birth Place: Cornwall, England Death Date: 1345 Death Place: Cornwall, England Cemetery: Grey Friars Bodmin Burial or Cremation Place: Bodmin, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England Has Bio?:Y Spouse: Elizabeth de Carmynowe
Publication: Name: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=FindAGraveUK&h=1554376&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&rhSource=7249;
- Title: rootsweb: Ancestry of John D Newport
Author: Sources: Title: Vanessa Weber Repository: Name: RootsWeb's WorldConnect Text: Date of Import: 11 Aug 2014 Author: Lieutenant-Colonel J. L. Vivian Title: Visitations of Cornwall Note: TYPE Web SiteDATE 1887
Publication: Name: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=john_d_newport&id=I67117;
Note: Name: Oliver Carminow Sir
Sex: M
Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
Children
Has No Children Joanna Carminow
- Title: Parliament.UK: Knights of the shire
Publication: Name: http://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/originsofparliament/birthofparliament/overview/knights/;
Note: Knights of the shire
The composition of the House of Commons, and the way in which its members were elected, underwent important changes in the 15th and 16th centuries.
The most prominent members in the Commons were the knights of the shire. During the Middle Ages two knights were elected for each of the 37 counties under royal jurisdiction. In 1536 the twelve counties of Wales were incorporated into English rule by statute and they gained the right to return one member each to Parliament. Later two counties long seen as outside royal jurisdiction, the county palatines of Chester and Durham, were also able to return two members each to Parliament, from 1543 and 1673 respectively.
When a new Parliament was summoned, writs were issued from Chancery (the royal secretariat) to the county's sheriff to call a County Court for an election of knights of the shire, and in the early days of Parliament all freemen, that is those who were not serfs, had the right to vote for their representatives.
The 40 shilling franchise
The rules were changed by a statute of 1429 which, finding that elections had recently been crowded by people of "low estate", decreed that only freemen who owned freehold land (that is, not leased from the land's owner) worth 40 shillings had the vote. This restricted the vote to a much smaller group of landowners, and the 40 shilling franchise was only abolished in 1832 by the Great Reform Act.
Aristocratic strife
During this period of aristocratic strife, the Wars of the Roses, the leading peers of the different factions tried to build up the number of their followers in the Commons and they took advantage of the opportunity to restrict the elections, in both voters and candidates, to landowners like themselves. From this point the knights of the shire largely came from and primarily expressed the interests of the landed elite, known as the gentry, and were often brought into Parliament by the influence and efforts of the peers in the Lords.
- Title: Robert Trevathian 1263; John L. Vivian The Visitations of Cornwall
Author: Lt. Col. J.L. Vivian "The Visitations of Cornwall comprising the Heralds Visitations of 1530, 1574 and 1620." Exeter 1887.
Publication: Name: https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=zbwEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA297;
Note: Page 31
"Bevill of Gwarnacke.... Robert Trevarthian, ob. 1263 [married] Margaret, ob. 1265, da. of William Bloyhow, Kt., sister to Sir Allin, Lord of Tregawell. [Their son] William Trevarthian ob. 1286 [married] Cessille, ob. 1291, da. of Sir Benedicte Walesborough, Kt. [Their son] Benedict Trevarthian, ob. 1325, [married] Marion, ob. 131?, da. of Thomas Trembethow. [Their son] John Trevarthian [married 1stly] Isabell, d. & h, of Rich. Heligan 1 wife, widow of John Petit, ob. 1344. [He married 2ndly] Margaret, d. of Sr Hugh Peverell, Kt., 2 wife. [The daughter of Isabell Heligan and John Trevarthian:] Maria Trevarthian [married] Stephen Mathaderva. [The son of Margaret Peverell and John Trevarthian:] John Trevarthian [married] Maude, da. of Sir Oliver Carminowe, Kt., [their son:] John Trevarthian, one of the heirs of Johanna Carminowe, aet 36 1396, [married] Joane, da. & h. of Otes Bodrugan, ob. 1433. [Their son was] Otis Trevarthian.
1. The descents of Mathaderva, Trevarthian, Burdon, and Gifford, from Harl. MS. 4031."
Page: daughter Maude married John Trevarthian
- Title: Book - Repoerts & Transactions
Author: Google Books
Note: sir, Oliver Carminow, Knt, Sheriff of Cornwall, Keeper of Launceston Castle
s/o sir, Roger Carnibow & Joanna
m- 1- Elizabeth Pomeroy
m- 2 - Isolda Ferrer
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