Robert de Lisours

• Preferred Name: Robert de Lisours^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]}
  
• Alternate Name: Robert de Lizours
  
• Gender: M
  
• http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Sir
  
• Death: 1130 in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England at LATI: N3.6922 LONG: E1.3086
  
• FSID: LYPN-17G
  
• Died+with+out+issue: with note: The Antigua Familia de Bosville pedigree by Robert Glover, 1586
  
• Birth: 3 FEB 1097 in Sprotbrough, Yorkshire, England at LATI: N3.5 LONG: E1.2
  
• MilitaryService: Battle of the Standard22 AUG 1138 in Northallerton, Yorkshire, England at LATI: N4.3333 LONG: E1.4333 with note: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Standard.
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
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  Robert de Lisures Also Known As: "Robert de Liscoures", "Eudo", "Robert de Liscoriis", "Robert de Richmond", "de Lisoures"
  Birthdate: February 03, 1097 Birthplace: Lincolnshire, England (United Kingdom)
  Death: 1130 (32-33) Lincolnshire, England (United Kingdom) Place of Burial: England, United Kingdom Immediate Family:
  
  Husband of Albreda (Aubrie) de Lisures
  
  Father of Albreda de Lisures
  
  The Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
  There is some chronological difficulty with the parentage of Robert de Lisours. The name “Lisours” suggests a connection with Fulk de Lisours who is named above. However, given the death of his daughter’s first husband in 1163 (see below), it is difficult to imagine Robert being born later than 1120 at the latest. If that is correct, he could not have been Fulk’s son by his known wife Alix d’Auberville, given that the latter was declared as 50 years old in 1185 (see above). This affiliation would only seem to work if Alix’s age was under-declared by at least 30 years, which seems impossible if she had three unmarried daughters still of marriageable age in 1185. Three possible solutions are suggested:
  
  (1) Robert was Fulk’s son by an earlier marriage, although that would mean that Fulk himself was born much earlier than appears consistent with the chronology of the Engaine family.
  
  (2) Robert was the son of Vitalis [I] Engaine.
  
  (3) Robert was a member of the previous Lisours family, maybe a relative of the supposed wife of Vitalis [I].
  
  1. ROBERT de Lisours ([before 1120?]-after 1167). The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Robertus de Lisures i m" in Huntingdonshire in [1167/68][57].
  
  m AUBREYE de Lacy, daughter of ROBERT de Lacy & his wife Matilda ---. According to The Complete Peerage, Aubreye de Lisours, successor of Robert de Lacy was his cousin[58], implying that her mother was Robert’s paternal aunt.
  
  This appears to be confirmed by the 1130 Pipe Roll which records "Robt de Lusor" in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and that he married "sorore Ilbti de Laci"[59]. An apparently different version of Aubreye’s parentage is provided by a manuscript history of the Lacy family which records that “Albreda vel Aubreia, filia Roberti Lisours, soror ex parte matris” succeeded on the death of “Robertus Lacy”[60].
  
  If this is correct, Aubreye’s father was the [first/second] husband of Robert de Lacy’s mother. As the husband of Aubrey junior died in 1163, the chronology suggests that, if this version is correct, it is more probable that Aubreye was the daughter of her mother’s first marriage.
  
  It appears from the 1130 Pipe Roll that the Complete Peerage version is to be preferred. Robert & his wife had one child: AUBREYE de Lisours ([before 1145?]-after Sep 1200).
  
  A manuscript history of the Lacy family records that “Albreda vel Aubreia, filia Roberti Lisours, soror ex parte matris” succeeded on the death of “Robertus Lacy” and that she married “Richardus constabularius Cestriæ”[61].
  
  Domesday Descendants records her second marriage but does not cite the corresponding primary source[62]. Her third marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 12 Nov 1177 under which the Templars and “Radulfum filium Stephani” settled a dispute concerning “unam carucatam terre in Roueston” which “Galfridus de Cauz” had given to “Albrede de Lisuriis uxori sue in dotem” and “terram que fuit Roberti fratris Gaufridi de Cauz in Ruueston”[63].
  
  "Willelmus filius Godrici" paid a fine for his marriage with "matre Johannis constabularii" in 1178[64]. A charter dated 1194 records a final agreement relating to a dispute between “Albredam de Lisores et Rogerum constabularium Cestrie nepotem suum” concerning the land of “Roberti de Lasci”, also naming “Roberti de Lisores patris ipsius Albrede” and “Willelmus filius prefate Albrede”[65].
  
  m firstly RICHARD FitzEustache, son of EUSTACHE FitzJohn & his second wife Agnes --- (-1163).
  
  m secondly as his second wife, WILLIAM de Clairfait, son of --- (-1168).
  
  m thirdly GEOFFREY de Cauz, son of ROBERT [I] de Cauz & his wife Isabel de Ferrers (-[before 12 Nov 1177]).
  
  m fourthly ([1178]) WILLIAM FitzGodric, son of GODRIC & his wife ---.
  
  === !SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #440. ===
  !SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #440.
  
  === Robert de Lisoriis, son and heir of Fulk ===
  Robert de Lisoriis, son and heir of Fulk I de Lisorris and Albereda. He married Albereda daughter of Robert de Lacy. At the time of his death his sole surviving issue was his daughter and heiress Albereda, though one of his charters for Blyth priory shows that he was father of sons and of other daughters besides Albereda. [Domesday Descendants p553]
  
  === ! from The Complet Peerage ! from Dorman ===
  ! from The Complet Peerage ! from Dormant and Extinct Peerages ! from The Complet Peerage ! from Dormant and Extinct Peerages ! from The Complet Peerage ! from Dormant and Extinct Peerages
  
  === {See Carr P. Collins, Jr., "Royal Ancest ===
  {See Carr P. Collins, Jr., "Royal Ancestors of Magna Charta Barons" (Dallas: 1959), p. 162 & 169, cf. 267.}
  
  === In 1129, Robert paid 12 pounds 9 shillin ===
  In 1129, Robert paid 12 pounds 9 shillings 4 d. for permission to marryRobert de Lacy's daughter Aubrey. (Internet)
  
  === !Killed at the Battle of Standard. ===
  !Killed at the Battle of Standard.

• m. 1119 in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England

1. Hugh de LISORES of Benefield and Abington, b. ABT 1133 in England     d. 1208
2. Albreda de Lisoures,    
3. Aubrey de Lisours, b. 1128 in Sprotbrough, Yorkshire, England     d. 21 NOV 1193 in Skipton, Yorkshire, England

1. Title: Legacy NFS Source: Robert de Lisours -
   Author: Family History Library archive record (family group sheet)
   Note: Source: A1 C20 p. 277 Submitter: Jesse L. Warner
   Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244547632
   
2. Title: Albreda de Lisours and Robert de Lisours in The History and Antiquities of Morley, pg. 22-23 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: The History and Antiquities of Morley, pg. 22-23
   Note: Albreda de Lisours and Robert de Lisours in The History and Antiquities of Morley, pg. 22-23 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Albreda de Lisours and Robert de Lisours in The History and Antiquities of Morley, pg. 22-23 [See document in the Memories section]
   
3. Title: Robert de Lisours and Albreda de Lisours in Ancestral Lines Revised and Enlarged, pg. 273 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Ancestral Lines Revised and Enlarged, pg. 273 [
   Note: Robert de Lisours and Albreda de Lisours in Ancestral Lines Revised and Enlarged, pg. 273 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Robert de Lisours and Albreda de Lisours in Ancestral Lines Revised and Enlarged, pg. 273 [See document in the Memories section]
   
4. Title: Clavering family in Ayres-Dawson and Allied Families, Vol. 3, pg. 57-58 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Ayres-Dawson and Allied Families, Vol. 3, pg. 57-58
   Note: Clavering family in Ayres-Dawson and Allied Families, Vol. 3, pg. 57-58 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Clavering family in Ayres-Dawson and Allied Families, Vol. 3, pg. 57-58 [See document in the Memories section]
   
5. Title: Origin of the Clavering family in Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, pg. 121 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, pg. 121
   Note: Origin of the Clavering family in Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, pg. 121 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Origin of the Clavering family in Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, pg. 121 [See document in the Memories section]
   
6. Title: The Clavering family in Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, pg. 237-238 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, pg. 237-238
   Note: The Clavering family in Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, pg. 237-238 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: The Clavering family in Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, pg. 237-238 [See document in the Memories section]
   
7. Title: Robert and Albreda de Lisours in Medieval Military Architecture in England, Vol. 2, pg. 169 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: Medieval Military Architecture in England, Vol. 2, pg. 169
   Note: Robert and Albreda de Lisours in Medieval Military Architecture in England, Vol. 2, pg. 169 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Robert and Albreda de Lisours in Medieval Military Architecture in England, Vol. 2, pg. 169 [See document in the Memories section]
   
8. Title: Fulk de Lisours in The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pgs. 187, 189, 191-192, and 193 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pgs. 187, 189, 191-192, and 193
   Note: Fulk de Lisours in The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pgs. 187, 189, 191-192, and 193 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: Fulk de Lisours in The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pgs. 187, 189, 191-192, and 193 [See document in the Memories section]
   
9. Title: William FitzNigel in The Transactions of the East Riding Antiquarian Society, Vol. 11, pg. 15 [See document in the Memories section]
   Author: The Transactions of the East Riding Antiquarian Society, Vol. 11, pg. 15
   Note: Willaim FitzNigel in The Transactions of the East Riding Antiquarian Society, Vol. 11, pg. 15 [See document in the Memories section]
   Page: William FitzNigel in The Transactions of the East Riding Antiquarian Society, Vol. 11, pg. 15 [See document in the Memories section]
   
10. Title: Albreda de Lisours and Robert de Lisours in Early Yorkshire Charters, pg. 208 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Early Yorkshire Charters, pg. 208
    Note: Albreda de Lisours and Robert de Lisours in Early Yorkshire Charters, pg. 208 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Albreda de Lisours and Robert de Lisours in Early Yorkshire Charters, pg. 208 [See document in the Memories section]
    
11. Title: Pedigree of John Monoculos, Eustace fitzJohn and Richard fitzEustace in A History of Northumberland, Vol. V, pg. 25 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: A History of Northumberland, Vol. V, pg. 25
    Note: Pedigree of John Monoculos, Eustace FitzJohn and Richard FitzEustace in A History of Northumberland, Vol. V, pg. 25 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Pedigree of John Monoculos, Eustace FitzJohn and Richard FitzEustace in A History of Northumberland, Vol. V, pg. 25 [See document in the Memories section]
    
12. Title: Pedigree of Robert and Albreda de Lisours in The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pg. 195 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pg. 195
    Note: Pedigree of Robert and Albreda de Lisours in The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pg. 195 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Pedigree of Robert and Albreda de Lisours in The Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XXXV, pg. 195 [See document in the Memories section]
    
13. Title: Pedigree of the Lisours family in British History Online, Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 3 ~www.british-history.ac.uk [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: British History Online, Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 3 ~www.british-history.ac.uk
    Note: Pedigree of the Lisours family in British History Online, Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 3 ~www.british-history.ac.uk [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Pedigree of the Lisours family in British History Online, Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 3 ~www.british-history.ac.uk [See document in the Memories section]
    
14. Title: Fulk de Lisours in Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans, pg. 124-125 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans, pg. 124-125
    Note: Fulk de Lisours in Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans, pg. 124-125 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Fulk de Lisours in Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans, pg. 124-125 [See document in the Memories section]
    
15. Title: Robert and Albreda de Lisours in British History Online [See document in the Memories section]
    Publication: Name: http://www.british-history.ac.uk;
    Note: Robert and Albreda de Lisours in British History Online [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Robert and Albreda de Lisours in British History Online [See document in the Memories section]
    
16. Title: Wikipedia -the Battle of the Standard
    Publication: Name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Standard;
    Note: The Battle of the Standard, sometimes called the Battle of Northallerton, took place on 22 August 1138 on Cowton Moor near Northallerton in Yorkshire. English forces under William of Aumale repelled a Scottish army led by King David I of Scotland. King Stephen of England, fighting rebel barons in the south, had sent a small force (largely mercenaries), but the English army was mainly local militia and baronial retinues from Yorkshire and the north Midlands. Archbishop Thurstan of York had exerted himself greatly to raise the army, preaching that to withstand the Scots was to do God's work. The centre of the English position was therefore marked by a mast (mounted upon a cart) bearing a pyx carrying the consecrated host and from which were flown the consecrated banners of the minsters of Durham, York, Beverley and Ripon: hence the name of the battle. This cart-mounted standard was a very northerly example of a type of standard common in contemporary Italy, where it was known as a carroccio.[1] King David had entered England for two declared reasons:[2] To support his niece Matilda's claim to the English throne against that of King Stephen (married to another niece)[3] To enlarge his kingdom beyond his previous gains.[4] David's forces had already taken much of Northumberland apart from castles at Wark[5] and Bamburgh. Advancing beyond the Tees towards York, early on 22 August the Scots found the English army drawn up on open fields 2 miles (3 km) north of Northallerton; they formed up in four 'lines' to attack it. The first attack, by unarmoured spearmen against armoured men (including dismounted knights) supported by telling fire from archers failed. Within three hours, the Scots army disintegrated, apart from small bodies of knights and men-at-arms around David and his son Henry. At this point, Henry led a spirited attack with mounted knights; he and David then withdrew separately with their immediate companions in relatively good order. Heavy Scots losses are claimed, in battle and in flight. The English did not pursue far; David fell back to Carlisle and reassembled an army. Within a month, a truce was negotiated[by whom?] which left the Scots free to continue the siege of Wark castle, which eventually fell. Despite losing the battle, David was subsequently given most of the territorial concessions he had been seeking[by whom?] (which the chronicles say he had been offered before he crossed the Tees). David held these throughout the Anarchy, but on the death of David, his successor Malcolm IV of Scotland was soon forced to surrender David's gains to Henry II of England. Some chronicle accounts of the battle include an invented pre-battle speech on the glorious deeds of the Normans, occasionally quoted as good contemporary evidence of the high opinion the Normans held of themselves.[citation needed]
    
17. Title: Eustace FitzJohn and Richard FitzEustace in The American Genealogist, Vol. XIX, pg. 184-185 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: The American Genealogist, Vol. XIX, pg. 184-185
    Note: Eustace FitzJohn and Richard FitzEustace in The American Genealogist, Vol. XIX, pg. 184-185 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Eustace FitzJohn and Richard FitzEustace in The American Genealogist, Vol. XIX, pg. 184-185 [See document in the Memories section]
    
18. Title: Robert and Fulk de Lisours in Baildon and the Baildons, Vol. 1, pg. 346-347 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Baildon and the Baildons, Vol. 1, pg. 346-347
    Note: Robert and Fulk de Lisours in Baildon and the Baildons, Vol. 1, pg. 346-347 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Robert and Fulk de Lisours in Baildon and the Baildons, Vol. 1, pg. 346-347 [See document in the Memories section]
    
19. Title: Fulk and Robert de Lisours in Fasti Parochiales, Vol. 1, pg. 1 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Fasti Parochiales, Vol. 1, pg. 1
    Note: Fulk and Robert de Lisours in Fasti Parochiales, Vol. 1, pg. 1 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Fulk and Robert de Lisours in Fasti Parochiales, Vol. 1, pg. 1 [See document in the Memories section]
    
20. Title: Albreda de Lisours in Dugdale’s The Baronage of England, pg. 99-100 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Dugdale’s The Baronage of England, pg. 99-100
    Note: Albreda de Lisours in Dugdale’s The Baronage of England, pg. 99-100 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Albreda de Lisours in Dugdale’s The Baronage of England, pg. 99-100 [See document in the Memories section]
    
21. Title: Lisours Pedigree in The Chartrulary of St. John of Pontefract, Vol. 1, pg. iii [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: The Chartrulary of St. John of Pontefract, Vol. 1, pg. iii
    Note: Lisours Pedigree in The Chartrulary of St. John of Pontefract, Vol. 1, pg. iii [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Lisours Pedigree in The Chartrulary of St. John of Pontefract, Vol. 1, pg. iii [See document in the Memories section]
    
22. Title: Robert de Lisours in the Battle Abbey Roll, Vol. 3, pg. 381 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Battle Abbey Roll, Vol. 3, pg. 381
    Note: Robert de Lisours in the Battle Abbey Roll, Vol. 3, pg. 381 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Robert de Lisours in the Battle Abbey Roll, Vol. 3, pg. 381 [See document in the Memories section]
    
23. Title: Fulk, Robert and Albreda de Lisours in Cokayne's The Complete Peerage, Vol. V, pg. 519 [See document in the Memories section]
    Author: Cokayne's The Complete Peerage, Vol. V, pg. 519
    Note: Fulk, Robert and Albreda de Lisours in Cokayne's The Complete Peerage, Vol. V, pg. 519 [See document in the Memories section]
    Page: Fulk, Robert and Albreda de Lisours in Cokayne's The Complete Peerage, Vol. V, pg. 519 [See document in the Memories section]