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Roger de Toeni III
- Preferred Name: Roger de Toeni III[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]
- Alternate Name: Roger de Tony
- Gender: M
- Occupation: Standard Bearer of Normandy
- Death: 29 SEP 1157 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England at LATI: N1.8182 LONG: E0.4374
- Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Sir Knight
- FSID: LBQ5-KXT
- Alt. Birth: 1104 in Conches, Seine-Et-Marne, Île-De-France, France at LATI: N8.8555 LONG: E0.7186
- Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Seigneur (Lord) of Nogent-le-Roi
- Birth: 1104 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England at LATI: N1.8182 LONG: E0.4374 with note: Correcting error
- Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Seigneur (Lord) of Conches
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
ROGER [IV] de Tosny, son of RAOUL [IV] Seigneur de Tosny & his wife Adelisa of Huntingdon ([1104]-after 29 Sep 1158).
...
m (before 9 Aug 1138) GERTRUDE [Ida] de Hainaut, daughter of BAUDOUIN III Comte de Hainaut & his wife Yolande van Geldern.
...
Roger [IV] & his wife had four children:
1. RAOUL [V] de Tosny (-1162).
2. ROGER de Tosny . ...
3. BAUDOUIN de Tosny (-1170). ...
4. GEOFFROY de Tosny . ... Monk.
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B
=== !Ency. of Am. Biog. Am. Hist Soc. R4A1 N ===
!Ency. of Am. Biog. Am. Hist Soc. R4A1 N.S. Vol. s7 p. 52, 80 p. 47-8 !or Tony or Toney; also called DeConches, Lord Flanstead. He was continually involved in petty warfare in Normandy and was twice imprisoned in Normandy. In Sept. 1138, he became reconciled to King Stephen, against whom he had revolted. He founded the nunnery of St. Giles-in-the-Wood.
=== !Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conc ===
!Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, b. ca. 1104, d. 1157-62, lord of Flamstead, Hertford, m. Ida of Hainaut, dau. of Baldwin III (163-25), Count of Hainaut, by his wife, Yolande of Guelders. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. {"60 Colonists" line 98A-25.] !Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, was lord of Flamstead, Hertford. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Constantly involved in petty warfare in ===
Constantly involved in petty warfare in Normandy& twice im- prisoned. Became reconciled with K. Stephen in Sept. 1138, against whom he had revolted.
=== Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; bo ===
Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; marriedIda, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died betweenautumn 1157 and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]
ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was bornprobably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 heattested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestorsand himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to havewaged war with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspectedthat he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count ofPonthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, andsent his own soldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After theKing's death Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maudagainst Stephen. After Easter 1136 hostilities began between him andthe King's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert,Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June. In the autumnthe fighting flared up again; but on 3 October Roger was ambushed andcaptured by Count Waleran and Henry de la Pommeraye. His land was laidunder an interdict and he was kept in prison for more than 6 months,but was released in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count ofMeulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successfully; and on7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt the town. However, beforethe end of 1138 he made peace with the twin Earls, who conducted himto England, where he was reconciled to King Stephen. Nothing is knownof what happened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After Henry hadbecome King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for between Michaelmas1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100 solidates of land atHolkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conchesand Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, byYolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had inmarriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne atEast Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probablybefore 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]
'BEECHWOOD, or BEECHWOOD PARK, the seat of Sir John Sebright, Bart. inthe parish of Flamsfed, was anciently called Woodchurch, or St. Gilesin the Wood, from a Benedictine Nunnery founded here for a Prioressand ten Nuns, by Roger de Toni, in the time of King Stephen.' Rev. J.Hodgson, F.C. Laird, The Beauties of England and Wales (London:Longman & Co., et al., 1803), p. 148. See also David Hughson, London:Being an Accurate History and Description of the British Metropolis(London: J. Stratford, 1807), p. 39; John Preston Neale, The Mansionsof England (London: M.A. Nattali, 1847), Vol. I, p. 3p4.
'ST. GILES IN THE WOOD PRIORY, FLAMSTEAD
About the middle of the 12th century Roger de Todeni or Tony (fn. 1)founded at Flamstead a priory in honour of St. Giles for Benedictinenuns and endowed it with land and certain small tithes in the parish.(fn. 2) He ordained that the assent of himself and of his heirs mustbe obtained at the election of the prioress, and that without theirconsent there should never be more than thirteen nuns in the house.
1 This family held Flamstead from the time of the Domesday Surveyuntil the 14th century (V.C.H. Herts. ii, 194).
2 Dugdale, Mon. iv, 299, no. i. This is evidently the charter shown bythe prioress at a visitation in 1530.'
From: 'Houses of Benedictine nuns: St Giles in the wood priory,Flamstead', A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 4 (1971), pp.432-434. URL:https://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37964 Dateaccessed: 10 December 2008.
'Towards the end of the 12th century Roger de Toeni was stillrecognized as overlord of Astley, (fn. 37) but after that time theconnexion of this family with the manor is not mentioned. (fn. 38)
36 V.C.H. Worcs. i, 310.
37 Ibid, i, 329; Cott. MS. Vesp. B xxiv, fol. 8.
38 See, however, V.C.H. Worcs. ii, 180, where Parnel de Toeni is shownto have claimed some interest in the priory in 1280.'
From: 'Parishes: Astley', A History of the County of Worcester: volume4 (1924), pp. 230-237. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42887 Dateaccessed: 13 December 2008.
'WEST, or NORTH WROTHAM,
Belonged to Ralph de Toni at the Conquest, (fn. 1) who was son ofRoger de Toni, Standard-bearer of Normandy, and founder of the abbeyof Conchis in that dukedom; this Ralph was Standard-bearer to theConqueror in that memorable battle against King Harold, and by hiseminent service in it, became a sharer in those large possessionswhich were after that signal conquest disposed of to his friends andfollowers, and among others, had 19 lordships in Norfolk, these threebeing part of them, the biggest of which he gave (as is beforeobserved) to Bec abbey, and left the other two to Ralph, his son andheir, who left them at his death, to Roger his son and heir, who gavethis manor and advowson, with the mill and moors, and whatever he heldelse in the township, to the monks of Conchis, (fn. 2) who held themof his gift at his death, as belonging to their cell at WottonWawen inWarwickshire, which was in 1162.
1 Dug. Bar. vol. i. fol. 469.
2 Dug. Mon. Ang. tom. i. fol. 559.'
From: 'Hundred of Shropham: West, or North Wrotham ', An Essay towardsa Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 1 (1805), pp.468-470. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=77138 Dateaccessed: 13 December 2008.
'Roger grandson of Ralph (fn. 45) was holding 2 hides at Alton in thetime of Stephen, (fn. 46) probably as overlord, as the manor seems tohave remained in the possession of the Prior of Ware, proctor of theabbey of St. Evroul in England.
44 Madan, Gresleys of Drakelow, 11.
45 Ibid. 13.
46 V.C.H. Worcs. i, 329.'
From: 'Parishes: Rock or Aka', A History of the County of Worcester:volume 4 (1924), pp. 319-328. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42902 Dateaccessed: 14 December 2008.
=== "with Ida, Roger had in marriage from Ki ===
"with Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Hnery I, 20 librates of land out of the royal desmesne at East Berholt, Suffolk."
=== Sources: Kraentzler 1311, 1357; A. Roots ===
Sources: Kraentzler 1311, 1357; A. Roots 98A; Drakelowe. Drakelowe: Succeeded his father in 1125-26. Involved in petty warfarein Normandy and twice was imprisoned there. But as of September 1138 he was reconciled with King Stephen. K: Roger de Toeni (Toesni) III "de Conches," Lord of Conches, Lord of Flamsted. Roots: Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Hereditary Standard Bearer to the Duke ===
Hereditary Standard Bearer to the Duke of Normandy. Ralph was present at the Battle of Hastings, but apparently did not bear the Standard on that day, but served instead at his own request, as an ordinary knight.
=== Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; bo ===
Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; married Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died between autumn 1157 and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]
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ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was born probably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 he attested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestors and himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to have waged war with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspected that he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, and sent his own soldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After the King's death Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maud against Stephen. After Easter 1136 hostilities began between him and the King's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert, Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June. In the autumn the fighting flared up again; but on 3 October Roger was ambushed and captured by Count Waleran and Henry de la Pommeraye. His land was laid under an interdict and he was kept in prison for more than 6 months, but was released in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count of Meulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successfully; and on 7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt the town. However, before the end of 1138 he made peace with the twin Earls, who conducted him to England, where he was reconciled to King Stephen. Nothing is known of what happened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After Henry had become King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for between Michaelmas 1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100 solidates of land at Holkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conches and Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Following copied from soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup:
From: Paul C. Reed (reedpcgen@aol.com)
Subject: Idenity of Countess Ida revisited [2nd try]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/01/06
Roger de Toeni [the third of that name, or III] was born ca. 1104, and died after Michaelmas 1157, presumably before his son died in 1162. He married Ida of Hainault, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, by his wife Yolande de Guelders. It is not known when Ida died, but she presumably survived him, as Henry II granted her [Ida de Tounay] land at Garsington, co. Oxford [Rot. Hund.].
This couple had four known sons:
(1) Ralph de Toeni [V], who succeeded his father and died 1262/3, having married Margaret de Beaumont.
(2) Roger de Toeni, Jr., dead by 1185, when his wife Ade/Alda de Chaumont was holding land at Holkington, co. Norfolk, of her son Baldwin de Toeni [II] (1170-1216), Seigneur de Acquigny, apparently father of Roger de Akeny and Sir William Dakeny [Acquigny]. The Rotuli de Dominabus states that Ade/Alda was born about 1155, and that she had five daughters aside from her son Baldwin. [Does anyone have any Dakeny ancestry?]
(3) Baldwin de Toeni, who settled in Hainault [having resided with his uncle Baldwin IV], where he died in 1170, leaving issue.
(4) Geoffrey de Toeni, a cleric who flourished 1157-62, 1177.
Two daughters have also been mentioned before:
1) Goda (c1136-) m Walchieline de Ferrers
2)Godeheut de Toeni (-<1186) m William de Mohun (<1143-1176); Of Dunster; s
of William by Agnes de Gaunt. They left Agnes and Yolante
[Latter posting on daughters from Adrian Channing, 10 Jan 2000]
=== Roger III de Toeni was also called de Co ===
Roger III de Toeni was also called de Conches. He was lord of Flamstead, Hertford. Weis. 53-25, 143-26.
=== In 1131 he attested Henry I's "pancarte" ===
In 1131 he attested Henry I's "pancarte" confirming all the familygrants to the abbey of Conches. It is said he waged war with Hugh deChateauneuf in 1133. In 1135, the king believed he was about to rebel,with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of GeoffreyPlantagenet. After the King died Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife Maudagainst King Stephen. On 3 May 1136 Roger was ambushed and captured byWaleran, Count of Meulan, and Henry de la Pommeraye, but he was releasedin 1137. On 7 Sept. 1138 he burned the town of Breteuil, but by the endof the year he made peace with the twin earls, Waleran of Meulan andRobert Earl of Leicester, and was reconciled to Stephen. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen, andwhen Henry became King Henry II of England Roger enjoyed the royal favor.(Marlyn Lewis and "Complete Peerage" by Cokayne; Carl Boyer atcboyer@sosinet.net)
=== !AKA: Roger de Toeni III, also styled de ===
!AKA: Roger de Toeni III, also styled de Conches, Lord of Falmstead, co. Hertford - Doc. Line 98A-25 Roger III de Toeni, Lord of Flamstead, co. Hertford - Doc. Line 143-26 !BIRTH: Date: ca. 1104 - Doc. Line 98A-25 !CHILDREN: Of Roger III de Toeni, Lord and Ida of Hainaut Godeheut (or Godehold) - Doc. Line 143-26 !DEATH: Date: 1157/1162 - Doc. Line 98A-25 !MARRIAGE: Roger de Toeni III, Lord and Ida of Hainaut - Doc. Line 98A-25, 143-26 !NOTE: With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk - Doc. Line 98A-25
=== REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 98A-25. also ===
REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 98A-25. also styled De Conches. Lord of Flamstead, co. Hertford. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demense at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With ===
Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With his marriage to Ida, Rogerobtained from King Henry I 20 librates of land out of the royaldemesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Source: Please cite original sources. ===
Source: Please cite original sources.
Compiled by: J. K. Loren
=== Research ===
Ency of Am Biog, Am Hist Soc, r4a1 n s vol 17 p 52,80 and 47-8
He was continually involved in petty warfare in Normandy and was twice imprisoned in Normandy. In Sept 1138, he became reconciled to King Stephen, against whom he had revolted.
He founded the nunnery of St. Giles-in-the-Wood.
=== Life Sketch ===
ROGER [IV] de Tosny, son of RAOUL [IV] Seigneur de Tosny & his wife Adelisa of Huntingdon ([1104]-after 29 Sep 1158).
...
m (before 9 Aug 1138) GERTRUDE [Ida] de Hainaut, daughter of BAUDOUIN III Comte de Hainaut & his wife Yolande van Geldern.
...
Roger [IV] & his wife had four children:
1. RAOUL [V] de Tosny (-1162).
2. ROGER de Tosny . ...
3. BAUDOUIN de Tosny (-1170). ...
4. GEOFFROY de Tosny . ... Monk.
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B
=== Source: Please cite original sources. ===
Source: Please cite original sources.
Compiled by: J. K. Loren
=== Roger III de Toeni was also called de Co ===
Roger III de Toeni was also called de Conches. He was lord of Flamstead, Hertford. Weis. 53-25, 143-26.
=== "with Ida, Roger had in marriage from Ki ===
"with Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Hnery I, 20 librates of land out of the royal desmesne at East Berholt, Suffolk."
=== Sources: Kraentzler 1311, 1357; A. Roots ===
Sources: Kraentzler 1311, 1357; A. Roots 98A; Drakelowe. Drakelowe: Succeeded his father in 1125-26. Involved in petty warfarein Normandy and twice was imprisoned there. But as of September 1138 he was reconciled with King Stephen. K: Roger de Toeni (Toesni) III "de Conches," Lord of Conches, Lord of Flamsted. Roots: Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Research ===
Ency of Am Biog, Am Hist Soc, r4a1 n s vol 17 p 52,80 and 47-8
He was continually involved in petty warfare in Normandy and was twice imprisoned in Normandy. In Sept 1138, he became reconciled to King Stephen, against whom he had revolted.
He founded the nunnery of St. Giles-in-the-Wood.
=== !Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conc ===
!Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, b. ca. 1104, d. 1157-62, lord of Flamstead, Hertford, m. Ida of Hainaut, dau. of Baldwin III (163-25), Count of Hainaut, by his wife, Yolande of Guelders. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. {"60 Colonists" line 98A-25.] !Roger III de Toeni, also styled de Conches, was lord of Flamstead, Hertford. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; bo ===
Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; married Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died between autumn 1157 and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]
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ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was born probably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 he attested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestors and himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to have waged war with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspected that he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, and sent his own soldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After the King's death Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maud against Stephen. After Easter 1136 hostilities began between him and the King's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert, Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June. In the autumn the fighting flared up again; but on 3 October Roger was ambushed and captured by Count Waleran and Henry de la Pommeraye. His land was laid under an interdict and he was kept in prison for more than 6 months, but was released in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count of Meulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successfully; and on 7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt the town. However, before the end of 1138 he made peace with the twin Earls, who conducted him to England, where he was reconciled to King Stephen. Nothing is known of what happened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After Henry had become King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for between Michaelmas 1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100 solidates of land at Holkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conches and Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Following copied from soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup:
From: Paul C. Reed (reedpcgen@aol.com)
Subject: Idenity of Countess Ida revisited [2nd try]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/01/06
Roger de Toeni [the third of that name, or III] was born ca. 1104, and died after Michaelmas 1157, presumably before his son died in 1162. He married Ida of Hainault, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, by his wife Yolande de Guelders. It is not known when Ida died, but she presumably survived him, as Henry II granted her [Ida de Tounay] land at Garsington, co. Oxford [Rot. Hund.].
This couple had four known sons:
(1) Ralph de Toeni [V], who succeeded his father and died 1262/3, having married Margaret de Beaumont.
(2) Roger de Toeni, Jr., dead by 1185, when his wife Ade/Alda de Chaumont was holding land at Holkington, co. Norfolk, of her son Baldwin de Toeni [II] (1170-1216), Seigneur de Acquigny, apparently father of Roger de Akeny and Sir William Dakeny [Acquigny]. The Rotuli de Dominabus states that Ade/Alda was born about 1155, and that she had five daughters aside from her son Baldwin. [Does anyone have any Dakeny ancestry?]
(3) Baldwin de Toeni, who settled in Hainault [having resided with his uncle Baldwin IV], where he died in 1170, leaving issue.
(4) Geoffrey de Toeni, a cleric who flourished 1157-62, 1177.
Two daughters have also been mentioned before:
1) Goda (c1136-) m Walchieline de Ferrers
2)Godeheut de Toeni (-<1186) m William de Mohun (<1143-1176); Of Dunster; s
of William by Agnes de Gaunt. They left Agnes and Yolante
[Latter posting on daughters from Adrian Channing, 10 Jan 2000]
=== Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; bo ===
Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; marriedIda, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died betweenautumn 1157 and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]
ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was bornprobably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 heattested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestorsand himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to havewaged war with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspectedthat he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count ofPonthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, andsent his own soldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After theKing's death Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maudagainst Stephen. After Easter 1136 hostilities began between him andthe King's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert,Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June. In the autumnthe fighting flared up again; but on 3 October Roger was ambushed andcaptured by Count Waleran and Henry de la Pommeraye. His land was laidunder an interdict and he was kept in prison for more than 6 months,but was released in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count ofMeulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successfully; and on7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt the town. However, beforethe end of 1138 he made peace with the twin Earls, who conducted himto England, where he was reconciled to King Stephen. Nothing is knownof what happened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After Henry hadbecome King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for between Michaelmas1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100 solidates of land atHolkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conchesand Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, byYolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had inmarriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne atEast Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probablybefore 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]
'BEECHWOOD, or BEECHWOOD PARK, the seat of Sir John Sebright, Bart. inthe parish of Flamsfed, was anciently called Woodchurch, or St. Gilesin the Wood, from a Benedictine Nunnery founded here for a Prioressand ten Nuns, by Roger de Toni, in the time of King Stephen.' Rev. J.Hodgson, F.C. Laird, The Beauties of England and Wales (London:Longman & Co., et al., 1803), p. 148. See also David Hughson, London:Being an Accurate History and Description of the British Metropolis(London: J. Stratford, 1807), p. 39; John Preston Neale, The Mansionsof England (London: M.A. Nattali, 1847), Vol. I, p. 3p4.
'ST. GILES IN THE WOOD PRIORY, FLAMSTEAD
About the middle of the 12th century Roger de Todeni or Tony (fn. 1)founded at Flamstead a priory in honour of St. Giles for Benedictinenuns and endowed it with land and certain small tithes in the parish.(fn. 2) He ordained that the assent of himself and of his heirs mustbe obtained at the election of the prioress, and that without theirconsent there should never be more than thirteen nuns in the house.
1 This family held Flamstead from the time of the Domesday Surveyuntil the 14th century (V.C.H. Herts. ii, 194).
2 Dugdale, Mon. iv, 299, no. i. This is evidently the charter shown bythe prioress at a visitation in 1530.'
From: 'Houses of Benedictine nuns: St Giles in the wood priory,Flamstead', A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 4 (1971), pp.432-434. URL:https://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37964 Dateaccessed: 10 December 2008.
'Towards the end of the 12th century Roger de Toeni was stillrecognized as overlord of Astley, (fn. 37) but after that time theconnexion of this family with the manor is not mentioned. (fn. 38)
36 V.C.H. Worcs. i, 310.
37 Ibid, i, 329; Cott. MS. Vesp. B xxiv, fol. 8.
38 See, however, V.C.H. Worcs. ii, 180, where Parnel de Toeni is shownto have claimed some interest in the priory in 1280.'
From: 'Parishes: Astley', A History of the County of Worcester: volume4 (1924), pp. 230-237. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42887 Dateaccessed: 13 December 2008.
'WEST, or NORTH WROTHAM,
Belonged to Ralph de Toni at the Conquest, (fn. 1) who was son ofRoger de Toni, Standard-bearer of Normandy, and founder of the abbeyof Conchis in that dukedom; this Ralph was Standard-bearer to theConqueror in that memorable battle against King Harold, and by hiseminent service in it, became a sharer in those large possessionswhich were after that signal conquest disposed of to his friends andfollowers, and among others, had 19 lordships in Norfolk, these threebeing part of them, the biggest of which he gave (as is beforeobserved) to Bec abbey, and left the other two to Ralph, his son andheir, who left them at his death, to Roger his son and heir, who gavethis manor and advowson, with the mill and moors, and whatever he heldelse in the township, to the monks of Conchis, (fn. 2) who held themof his gift at his death, as belonging to their cell at WottonWawen inWarwickshire, which was in 1162.
1 Dug. Bar. vol. i. fol. 469.
2 Dug. Mon. Ang. tom. i. fol. 559.'
From: 'Hundred of Shropham: West, or North Wrotham ', An Essay towardsa Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 1 (1805), pp.468-470. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=77138 Dateaccessed: 13 December 2008.
'Roger grandson of Ralph (fn. 45) was holding 2 hides at Alton in thetime of Stephen, (fn. 46) probably as overlord, as the manor seems tohave remained in the possession of the Prior of Ware, proctor of theabbey of St. Evroul in England.
44 Madan, Gresleys of Drakelow, 11.
45 Ibid. 13.
46 V.C.H. Worcs. i, 329.'
From: 'Parishes: Rock or Aka', A History of the County of Worcester:volume 4 (1924), pp. 319-328. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42902 Dateaccessed: 14 December 2008.
=== REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 98A-25. also ===
REF: Weis, Ancestral Roots 98A-25. also styled De Conches. Lord of Flamstead, co. Hertford. With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demense at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== !Ency. of Am. Biog. Am. Hist Soc. R4A1 N ===
!Ency. of Am. Biog. Am. Hist Soc. R4A1 N.S. Vol. s7 p. 52, 80 p. 47-8 !or Tony or Toney; also called DeConches, Lord Flanstead. He was continually involved in petty warfare in Normandy and was twice imprisoned in Normandy. In Sept. 1138, he became reconciled to King Stephen, against whom he had revolted. He founded the nunnery of St. Giles-in-the-Wood.
=== Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With ===
Lord of Flamstead, Hertfordshire. With his marriage to Ida, Rogerobtained from King Henry I 20 librates of land out of the royaldemesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk.
=== Constantly involved in petty warfare in ===
Constantly involved in petty warfare in Normandy& twice im- prisoned. Became reconciled with K. Stephen in Sept. 1138, against whom he had revolted.
=== Hereditary Standard Bearer to the Duke ===
Hereditary Standard Bearer to the Duke of Normandy. Ralph was present at the Battle of Hastings, but apparently did not bear the Standard on that day, but served instead at his own request, as an ordinary knight.
=== !AKA: Roger de Toeni III, also styled de ===
!AKA: Roger de Toeni III, also styled de Conches, Lord of Falmstead, co. Hertford - Doc. Line 98A-25 Roger III de Toeni, Lord of Flamstead, co. Hertford - Doc. Line 143-26 !BIRTH: Date: ca. 1104 - Doc. Line 98A-25 !CHILDREN: Of Roger III de Toeni, Lord and Ida of Hainaut Godeheut (or Godehold) - Doc. Line 143-26 !DEATH: Date: 1157/1162 - Doc. Line 98A-25 !MARRIAGE: Roger de Toeni III, Lord and Ida of Hainaut - Doc. Line 98A-25, 143-26 !NOTE: With Ida, Roger had in marriage from King Henry I, 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk - Doc. Line 98A-25
=== In 1131 he attested Henry I's "pancarte" ===
In 1131 he attested Henry I's "pancarte" confirming all the familygrants to the abbey of Conches. It is said he waged war with Hugh deChateauneuf in 1133. In 1135, the king believed he was about to rebel,with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of GeoffreyPlantagenet. After the King died Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife Maudagainst King Stephen. On 3 May 1136 Roger was ambushed and captured byWaleran, Count of Meulan, and Henry de la Pommeraye, but he was releasedin 1137. On 7 Sept. 1138 he burned the town of Breteuil, but by the endof the year he made peace with the twin earls, Waleran of Meulan andRobert Earl of Leicester, and was reconciled to Stephen. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen, andwhen Henry became King Henry II of England Roger enjoyed the royal favor.(Marlyn Lewis and "Complete Peerage" by Cokayne; Carl Boyer atcboyer@sosinet.net)
Preferred Parents:
Father: Ralph Toni, b. 1079 in Lahnyndhry Castle...Wales d. 1129 in Bronllys..Breconshire, Wales
Mother: Ralph Toni, b. 1079 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom d. in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Family 1: Ida Gertrude de Hainaut, b. ABT 1109 in Mons, Hainaut, Belgium d. 1162 in Headington, Oxfordshire, England
- m. ABT 1129 in Conches-en-Ouche, Eure, Normandy, France
- Godeheut de Toëni, b. 1135 in Conches-En-Ouche, Eure, France d. 1186 in Dunster, Somerset, England
- Ralph de Toeni de Conches V, b. ABT 1130 d. ABT 1162 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
Family 2: Ida of Hainault, b. ABT 1109
- Ralph de Toeni de Conches V, b. ABT 1130 d. ABT 1162 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
Sources:
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Roger Toney -
Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
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- Title: Cawley, C. (2006). "Roger IV de Tosney." Medieval Lands v.4. Fmg.ac
Publication: Name: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B;
Note: ROGER [IV] de Tosny, son of RAOUL [IV] Seigneur de Tosny & his wife Adelisa of Huntingdon ([1104]-after 29 Sep 1158). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the donation by "Rogerus de Totteneio filius Radulphi junioris", dated to [1130].
In prison 1136/37. “Aliz de Toeni” donated "ecclesiam de Welcomstowe" to “ecclesiæ S. Trinitatis Lond.”, for the soul of “…et pro incolumitate filiorum meorum Rogeri de Toeni et Simonis et filiæ meæ Isabellæ", by undated charter. Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or 1167/73. Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or 1167/73. The 1157 Pipe Roll records "Rogo de Toeni" in Norfolk and Suffolk, "in Holcha".
m (before 9 Aug 1138) GERTRUDE [Ida] de Hainaut, daughter of BAUDOUIN III Comte de Hainaut & his wife Yolande van Geldern. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to one of the daughters of "Balduinus comes Hanoniensis" & his wife as wife of "domino de Thoenio", in a later passage naming their children "Radulphum primum [filium Rogerum], Rogerum secundum et Balduinum tercium et Gaufridum quartum clericum"[116]. The Testa de Nevill includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that Henry I King of England had granted "xx libratas terre in Bercolt" in Norfolk to "Rogero de Tooni…in maritagio cum filia comitis de Henou". “Rogerus de Tony filius Radulphi junioris” donated “villam...Werteham...” to Wotten Wawen priory, in return for payments made to him and “Idæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter. The primary source which confirms her name as Gertrude not yet been identified.
Roger IV & his wife had 4 children:
1. RAOUL [V] de Tosny (-1162). The Chronicon Hanoniense names (in order) "Radulphum primum [filium Rogerum], Rogerum secundum et Balduinum tercium et Gaufridum quartum clericum" as the children of "[Rogerum] domino de Thoenio" & his wife[119]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1162 of "Radulfus de Toene". m (after 1155) MARGUERITE de Beaumont, daughter of ROBERT [II] Earl of Leicester & his wife Amice de Gaël ([1125]-after 1185). Robert of Torigny refers to the wife of "Radulfus de Toene" as "filia Roberti comitis Leccestriæ" but does not name her. The 1163/64 Pipe Roll records "Margareta uxor Rad de Toeni" making payment "de Suppl de Welcumesto" in Essex/Hertfordshire. The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records “Margareta de Tony…lx annorum” and her land “in Welcumestowe". Raoul [V] & his wife had 2 children
2. ROGER de Tosny . The Chronicon Hanoniense names (in order) "Radulphum primum [filium Rogerum], Rogerum secundum et Balduinum tercium et Gaufridum quartum clericum" as the children of "[Rogerum] domino de Thoenio" & his wife.
3. BAUDOUIN de Tosny (-1170). The Chronicon Hanoniense names (in order) "Radulphum primum [filium Rogerum], Rogerum secundum et Balduinum tercium et Gaufridum quartum clericum" as the children of "[Rogerum] domino de Thoenio" & his wife. He had descendants in Hainaut[135].
4. GEOFFROY de Tosny . The Chronicon Hanoniense names (in order) "Radulphum primum [filium Rogerum], Rogerum secundum et Balduinum tercium et Gaufridum quartum clericum" as the children of "[Rogerum] domino de Thoenio" & his wife. Monk.
- Title: Baudouin III, Comte de Hainaut, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Page: Baudouin III, Comte de Hainaut, in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#BaudouinIIIHainautdied1120B [See document in the Memories section]
- Title: American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI)
Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/3599/records/2519563;
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Roger Toney -
Author: Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, July 1996 (c), data as of 2 January 1996
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:2737222795
- Title: Roger de Tosny and Gertrude de Hainaut in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B [See document in the Memories section]
Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/142064927;
Note: Roger de Toeni (Tosny) and Gertrude de Hainaut in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B [See document in the Memories section]
Page: Roger de Toeni (Tosny) and Gertrude de Hainaut in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ~https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RogerIIITosnydied1158B [See document in the Memories section]
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- Title: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
Author: Source number: 7603.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: JDM
Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/7836/records/1225630;
- Title: Millennium File
Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/7249/records/100010547;
- Title: Ancestry Family Trees
Author: Ancestry Family Tree
- Title: Roger I of Tosny Wikipedia Article
Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_I_of_Tosny;
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Keep (donjon) of Conches-en-Ouche, département Eure, Haute-Normandie, France. It was built 1035 by Roger I of Tosny and destroyed 1591 in the French Wars of Religion.
Roger I of Tosny or Roger of Hispania[1] (d. ca. 1040) was a Norman nobleman of the House of Tosny who took part in the Reconquista of Iberia.
Career
Roger was the son of Raoul I of Tosny, seigneur de Conches.[2] In 1013, Roger and his father Raoul guarded the castle at Tillières for Richard II, Duke of Normandy.[3] A few years later, for an unknown reason, the pair were forced into exile. While his father gained a reputation for himself in Apulia, Roger did the same in fighting the Muslims in Iberia.[3] The small Christian states of Northern Iberia welcomed volunteers and adventurers who they could use to mount a strong force for the Reconquista. Roger was summoned by Ermesinde of Carcassonne, regent-countess of Barcelona after the death of her husband Ramon Borrell, to help her against the Muslim threat to her power. Roger rushed to help, marrying Ermesende's daughter,[4] terrorising the Saracens and capturing several towns and castles. Adémar de Chabannes gives an echo of the more or less legendary deeds of Roger in Iberia. He gained the nickname Mangeur de Maures (Moor-Eater). Adémar recounts that Roger took his captured Saracens each day and, in front of them, cut one of their number in two, boiling the first half and giving it to the other Muslims to eat, and pretending to take the other half into his own tent for him and his companions to eat. Then Roger allowed some of these prisoners to escape, to spread these horrific rumours.[5]
Before 1024, Roger and his father gained permission from Richard II to return to Normandy, and Raoul died soon afterwards.
Roger de Tosny founded Conches-en-Ouche. He built its church of Sainte-Foy[6] (before 1026) then the abbey of Saint-Pierre de Castillon (c. 1035) where monks from Fécamp Abbey were installed. This monastery was one of the first baronial foundations in Normandy[7] The foundation charter reveals that the lord of Tosny gave it a small possession around Conches and his forest.
In 1035, Robert I's death began a troubled period in the duchy of Normandy. Civil wars multiplied and Roger (whose relations with his neighbours was already argumentative) was one of the main players in them. According to the Norman chroniclers,[8] the lord of Tosny refused to serve the new duke, the future William the Conqueror, due to his being a bastard. He especially took advantage of the weakness of the duke's power by ravaging his neighbours' lands, notably those of Humphrey of Vieilles. Humphrey sent his son Roger to face Roger of Tosny, and around 1040 the latter was killed in battle, and his two eldest sons[9] died a few weeks later of their wounds.
Peace was re-established between the Tosny family and the neighbouring families. The widow Gotelina/Godehildis was forced to marry Richard, Count of Évreux.
Family and descendants
Only one wife of Roger of Tosny is known by name, his widow, Adelaide (or Godehildis), who married Richard, Count of Évreux after Roger's death. It is unclear if this is his only wife.[3] Children:
Helbert of Tosny, died in 1040, with his father.
Helinand of Tosny, died in May 1039, in Conches.
Vuazo of Tosny
Raoul II of Tosny, successor of his father.
Robert of Tosny, Lord of Stafford
Béranger l'Espagnol of Tosny
Adelise of Tosny, married Guillaume Fils Osbern.
Berthe of Tosny, married Guy de Laval."
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