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Margaret de Toeni



Preferred Parents:
Father: Ralph de Toeni IV de Conches, b. ABT 1069 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England   d. ABT 1126 in Conches, Seine-et-Marne, France
Mother: Adelisa de Huntingdon, b. FEB 1076 in Middleton, Northumberland, England   d. ABT 1126 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England

Family 1: Walter FitzRichard de Clifford,    b. ABT 1113 in Clifford Castle, Herefordshire, England    d. 1190 in Godstow, Oxfordshire, England
  1. Walter de Clifford II, b. AFT 1150 in Clifford Castle, Hay, Herefordshire, England     d. 17 JAN 1221 in Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire, England
  2. Lucia de Clifford, b. ABT 1138 in Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire, England     d. ABT 1195 in Ludlow, Herefordshire, England
  3. Robert de Clifford, b. ABT 1153 in Of Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire, England     d. 1221 in Coventry, Warwickshire, , England
Sources:
  1. Title: Collins & Brydges
    Author: Peerage of England, Arthur Collins, Sir Egerton Brydges, Name: Printed for F. C. and J. Rivington, Otridge and son, etc.;Location: London; Date: 1812;, Page number: p. 117
    Note: Arthur Collins, Sir Egerton Brydges, Peerage of England (London,Printed for F. C. and J. Rivington, Otridge and son, etc., 1812).
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3246399063
  2. Title: Walter de Clifford (died 1190) | Wikipedia.com
    Author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_de_Clifford_(died_1190)
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_de_Clifford_(died_1190);
    Note: Walter de Clifford (1113–1190)[1] (known before the 1130s as Walter FitzRichard[2]) was an Anglo-Norman Marcher Lord of Bronllys Castle on the Welsh border, and was feudal baron of Clifford, seated at Clifford Castle in Herefordshire. He was still living in 1187, and according to Eyton died in 1190. He was the son of Richard FitzPons and Matilda. He married Margaret de Toeni, daughter of Ralph de Toeni.
    Page: Walter- WIKIpedia
  3. Title: SULPICE . The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence
    Page: British Isles - England, Untitled Nobility A-C , p. 334: WALTER [I] FitzRichard, son of RICHARD FitzPons & his wife Matilda --- (-1190). His parentage is confirmed by the undated charter, dated to before 1190, under which "Hugh de Say and Lucia his wife, daughter of Walter de Clifford, son of Richard fitz Poncius" donated the mill of Rochford to Haughmond Abbey[2554]. "Rog fil Ric, Walti fr eius…" witnessed the charter dated to [1127] which records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[2555]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Walto fil Ric" in Gloucestershire[2556]. A charter of Stephen King of England dated 1138 confirmed donations to Gloucester St Peter including the exchange of "manerio Esleche" for “manerio de Glasberie de Walterio de Cliffort"[2557]. "Walterus de Clifforde" confirmed the donation of "medietatem totius manerii de Ullingewike" made to Gloucester St Peter by "Berta soror mea…concessione Helyæ Giffardi filiii sui primogeniti", with the consent of "Walterus filius meus primogenitus", by charter dated 1152[2558]. “…Waltero de Clifford…Osberto filio Hugonis, Willielmo de Bealchamp…” witnessed the undated charter, dated to [1155], which records the donation by “Rogerus comes Herefordiæ” to Brecknock priory[2559]. The 1157 Pipe Roll records "Walto de Clifford" in Herefordshire[2560]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, name "Walterus de Clifford…quintæ parties i militem" among those providing military service for Westminster abbey in Worcestershire, that "Walterus de Clifford" held "Corpham et Culmintone et Halam de Ernestowe et les Clives" for one knight’s fee from "Roberti de Britone" in Shropshire, and held one knight’s fee in Hereford from the bishop[2561]. Lord of the manor of Rochford in Herefordshire. “Walterus de Clifford” donated property to Dore abbey, Herefordshire, with the consent of "Margaretæ uxoris meæ", for the souls of "…filiorum et filiarum nostrarum et Osberti filii Hugonis", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Waltero de Clifford juvene et Rosamunda sorore sua…"[2562]. “Walterus de Clifford” donated property to Godstow nunnery in Oxfordshire, for the souls of "uxoris meæ Margaretæ de Clifford et filiæ nostræ Rosamundæ", confirmed by "Walterus de Clifford junior filius et hæres prædicti Walteri", by undated charter witnessed by "Osbertus filius Hugonis, Hugo de Sey, Ric de Clifford, Will. frater eius…"[2563]. "Osbern fitz Hugh" donated a virgate at Richard’s Castle to Haughmond Abbey by charter dated to [1172/85], witnessed by "Walter de Clifford, Walter his son, Hugh de Say and Lucie his wife"[2564]. The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Walterus de Clifford xx s in hoc comitatu" in Wiltshire in [1186/87][2565]. m MARGARET, daughter of --- (-1185 or before, bur Godstow nunnery). “Walterus de Clifford” donated property to Dore abbey, Herefordshire, with the consent of "Margaretæ uxoris meæ", for the souls of "…filiorum et filiarum nostrarum et Osberti filii Hugonis", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Waltero de Clifford juvene et Rosamunda sorore sua…"[2566]. Eyton highlights that Margaret, wife of Walter [I] de Clifford, "is said, with probability, to have brought him Clifford Castle in frank-marriage, she being a daughter of Ralph de Toni, Domesday Lord of that castle"[2567]. Under this hypothesis, she would have been Margaret de Tosny, daughter of Raoul [IV] de Tosny & his wife Adelisa of Huntingdon. Eyton implies, but does not actually state, that there is no primary source which confirms that this supposed parentage of Margaret is correct. He also says that "an equally probable account of the mode in which Clifford Castle left the sucession of the Toni is that Maud, wife of Richard fitz Ponce, was a daughter of Ralph de Toni". The chronology is not particularly favourable for Margaret to have been Raoul de Tosny’s daughter. Raoul’s children must have been born in the range [1104/15], given his marriage in 1103 and the narrow possible birth date range of his wife in [1073/76]. If Margaret was Raoul’s daughter, she would have been old when she died in or before 1185, and her husband even older when he died in 1190 assuming that he was about the same age as his wife. Let us compare this assessment with the approximate dates which can be assessed for the children of Walter [I] and his wife. Firstly, the couple’s grandson Walter [III] first appears in the records in 1208 (see below), presumably when he was a young adult, which would place his birth in [1180/90]. At that time, his father Walter [II] would likely have been over 40/50 years old if his maternal grandfather had been Raoul de Tosny. Secondly, Walter [I]’s great-granddaughter, granddaughter of his daughter Lucy, was probably born in [1190/96]: she was reported an infant on her first marriage in 1197, and her father died in [1196]. This would place Lucy’s birth in [1140/50], which would be on the late side if her maternal grandfather had been Raoul de Tosny (although not impossibly late). Thirdly, when these two cases are slotted together, it appears that Lucy was very likely older than her brother Walter [II]. If that is correct, the Tosny connection is even less likely, given her estimated birth date, if she was one of her parents’ older children. Another point to make is the absence of compatible onomastics for a Tosny marriage: none of Walter [I]’s children received typical Tosny names (Raoul/Ralph, Roger, Isabel, Adelisa, Godechilde). Walter [I]’s grandson was named Roger, but it is likely that he was named after his maternal grandfather (see below). A last point of confusion is the reported marriage of Isabelle, another daughter of Raoul [IV] de Tosny, with another Walter FitzRichard (who is probably identified with the son of Richard Lord of Clare and Tonbridge, see NORMANDY NOBILITY). If Margaret had also been Raoul’s daughter, this would lead to the improbable (although not impossible) coincidence that two of his daughters would have married two different individuals with the same name. In conclusion, the alleged Tosny connection remains something of a mystery but the proposed Tosny parentage of Margaret, wife of Walter [I], does not appear to be the ideal explanation. “Osbertus filius Hugonis” donated property to Godstow nunnery in Oxfordshire, at the request of “domini Walteri de Clifford” for the souls of "uxoris suæ Margaretæ et…Rosamundæ filiæ suæ", specifying that they were buried at Godstow, with the consent of "Hugonis fratris mei", by undated charter witnessed by "Waltero de Clifford, Ricardo filio suo et Lucia filia sua…"[2568].
  4. Title: Margaret (Toeni) de St Omer on WikiTree
    Author: WikiTree contributors, "Margaret (Toeni) de St Omer", WikiTree, http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Toeni-78 (accessed 11 December 2022)
    Publication: Name: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Toeni-78;
  5. Title: Margaret De Toeni, "Find A Grave Index"
    Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVV5-HRPD : 16 December 2020), Margaret De Toeni, ; Burial, Oxford, City of Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, Godstow Abbey Ruins; citing record ID 27264002, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
    Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVV5-HRPD;
  6. Title: Raoul IV de Conches aka Ralph de Toeni or Tosny (bef. 1080 – 1126) | Wikipedia.com
    Author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_III_of_Tosny
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_IV_de_Conches;
    Note: Raoul III of Tosny (1079-1126), Lord of Conches-en-Ouche (A commune in the Eure département in northern France), was an Anglo-Norman nobleman of the House of Tosny. Born in 1079, Raoul was the son of Raoul II of Tosny and Isabel de Montfort. Raoul married Adelise (Alice of Northumbria), daughter of Waltheof, earl of Northumbria and his wife Judith. Margaret Isabel de Tosny, married Walter de Clifford.
  7. Title: Debrett
    Author: The Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, 10thed, John Debrett, Name: F. Cand et al.; Location: London; Date: 1816;, Page number: Vol. I, p. 446
    Note: John Debrett, The Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain andIreland, 10th ed. (London, F. Cand et al., 1816).
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3246399443
  8. Title: Burke
    Author: Burke, John, A General and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage andBaronetage of the British Empire, 2d ed, John Burke, Name: H. Colburn and R. Bentley; Location: London; Date: 1832;, Page number: Vol. I, p. 261
    Note: Burke, John. A General and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage andBaronetage of the British Empire, 2d ed.. London: H. Colburn and R.Bentley, 1831.
    Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3246399186
  9. Title: Margaret De Toeni, "Find A Grave Index"
    Author: "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVV5-HRPD : 16 December 2020), Margaret De Toeni, ; Burial, Oxford, City of Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, Godstow Abbey Ruins; citing record ID 27264002, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
    Publication: Name: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVV5-HRPD;
    Note: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/27264002/margaret-de_toeni Margaret De Toeni BIRTH 1118 DEATH 1185 (aged 66–67) BURIAL Godstow Abbey Ruins Oxford, City of Oxford, Oxfordshire, England MEMORIAL ID 27264002 Born at Flamstead, Herefordshire, she was the daughter of Ralph de Toeni. She married Walter FitzRichard FitzPons, son of Richard FitzPons and Maude FitzWalter.
  10. Title: Peerage, The
    Author: Darryl Lundy, The Peerage, a genealogical survey of teh Peerage of Britian as well as the royal families of Europe(http://thepeerage.com : accessed 2 Mar 2020), Margaret de Toeni;
    Note: Margaret de Toeni was born in 1118 at Flamstead, Herefordshire, EnglandG.2 She was the daughter of Ralph de Toeni and Alice de Cheney.2,3 She married Walter fitz Richard fitz Pons, son of Richard fitz Pons and Maude fitz Walter.1 She died in 1185.2 She was buried at Godstow, Oxfordshire, EnglandG.2Children of Margaret de Toeni and Walter fitz Richard fitz Pons William de Clifford3 Richard de Clifford3 Amicia de Clifford3 Rosamund de Clifford+3 b. c 1137, d. 1176 Walter de Clifford+3 b. c 1150, d. 22 Jan 1222Citations [S35] BLG1965 volume 1, page 579. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S35] [S125] Richard Glanville-Brown, online , Richard Glanville-Brown (RR 2, Milton, Ontario, Canada), downloaded 17 August 2005. [S35] BLG1965. [S35]
  11. Title: Burke's Peerage
    Author: Charles Mosley, Editor: "Burke's Peerage, Baronetage, And Knightage" (106th Edition), Routledge, Abingdon, 1999 ISBN-10: 1579580831, ,ISBN-13: 978-1579580834
  12. Title: Ancestry Family Trees
    Author: Ancestry Family Tree
  13. Title: Walter de Clifford (died 1190) | Wikipedia.com
    Author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_de_Clifford_(died_1190)
    Publication: Name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_de_Clifford_(died_1190);
    Note: Walter de Clifford (1113–1190)[1] (known before the 1130s as Walter FitzRichard[2]) was an Anglo-Norman Marcher Lord of Bronllys Castle on the Welsh border, and was feudal baron of Clifford, seated at Clifford Castle in Herefordshire. He was the son of Richard FitzPons and Matilda, who was the sister of Miles de Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford, and daughter of Walter de Gloucester. He married Margaret de Toeni, daughter of Ralph de Toeni,
  14. Title: Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22
    Author: Stephen, Sir Leslie, ed.; London, England: Oxford University Press; Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22; Volume: Vol 04; Page: 537
    Publication: Name: https://search.ancestry.com/collections/1981/records/20015401;
  15. Title: G. E. Cokayne: "The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom"
    Author: G E Cokayne: The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; Palgrave Mac\Mmillan (New York, November 1984); ISBN-10: 031215836X, ISBN-13: 978-0312158361
    Publication: Name: http://myheritage.com;

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