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Edwin ap Gronwy
- Preferred Name: Edwin ap Gronwy[1]
- Gender: M
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: King of Tegeingl
- Death: 1073 in Northop, Flintshire, Wales at LATI: N3.204 LONG: E3.13
- Tribe Name: with note: Description: founder of one of the Fifteen Tribes of Wales
- Occupation: Baron of Tegaingl
- Birth: ABT 1020 in Tegeingl, Flintshire, Wales at LATI: N3.2362 LONG: E3.1291 with note: GEDCOM data
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Prince
- Burial: in Northrup, Coleshill, Flintshire, Wales at LATI: N3.2362 LONG: E3.1291
- FSID: 2S23-Y3L
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Lord of Flint
- Christening: in {Edwin}
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
Edwin of Tegeingl (born about 1020 and died 1073) was a prince or lord of the cantref of Tegeingl in north-east Wales.
Later pedigrees provide Edwin and his descendants with a Welsh pedigree, making him son of Gronwy and great-great-grandson of Hywel Dda. However, it has been suggested that this pedigree may have been a late invention, and that his name points to an Anglo-Saxon origin. Edwin was Lord or Prince of the cantref of Tegeingl. The cantref formed the eastern part of Perfeddwlad (or Y Berfeddwlad) on the northern coast of Wales between the River Clwyd and Deeside. The territory, originally forming part of the Kingdom of Gwynedd, had been under the control of the Anglo-Saxons for several centuries and then changed hands several times between the two.
There is no reference to him in the chronicles of Wales; there are, however, references to his sons.
Edwin married Gwerydd, sister of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Prince of Gwynedd and Powys. He had three sons:
. Owain,
. Uchdryd, and
. Hywel.
Edwin would come to be regarded as founder of one of the Fifteen Tribes of Wales, and as such antiquarians in later centuries would invent attributed arms for him.
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Edwin of Tegeingl (born about 1020 and died 1073) was a prince or lord of the cantref of Tegeingl in north-east Wales.
«b»Ancestry«/b»
Most medieval pedigrees identify Edwin's father as Gronwy, a descendant of Hywel Dda. He may have been a great-great-grandson of Hywel Dda although this is disputed. From his name, it is clear he had Anglo-Saxon ancestry, and his mother is believed to have been Ethelfleda or Aldgyth, daughter of Eadwine of Mercia.
«b»Lordship of Tegeingl«/b»
Edwin is known to have been Lord or Prince of the cantref of Tegeingl. The cantref formed the eastern part of Perfeddwlad (or Y Berfeddwlad) on the northern coast of Wales between the River Clwyd and Deeside. The territory, originally forming part of the Kingdom of Gwynedd, had been under the control of the Anglo-Saxons for several centuries and then changed hands several times between the two.
«b»Biography«/b»
Edwin was probably born between 1017 and 1020. He is believed to have resided at Trefedwen near Rhuddlan. Although Edwin is sometimes called King of Tegeingl in the medieval pedigrees there is no reference to him in the chronicles of Wales; there are, however, references to his sons. He appears to have been raised to the lordship of Tegeingl by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, ruler of most of Wales between 1055 and 1064. Edwin married Iwerydd (or Gwerydd), sister of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Prince of Gwynedd and Powys.
«b»Descendants«/b»
Edwin had three sons, Owain, Uchdryd, and Hywel. Many aristocratic North Wales families (particularly in Flintshire and Denbighshire) claimed descent from Edwin including the Mostyns of Mostyn and of Talacre.
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=== Heraldic Visitations of Wales 2:54 ===
Heraldic Visitations of Wales 2:54
=== Merion in the Welsh Tract p 216-217 Burk ===
Merion in the Welsh Tract p 216-217 Burkes Guide to the Royal Family p 323 Merion in the Welsh Tract p 216-217 Burkes Guide to the Royal Family p 323
=== GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Edwin ===
GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Edwin
ID: Merged with a record that used the ID 54314
BIRTH: Also shown as Born 1020
DEATH: Also shown as Died 1073
=== From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
=== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_of_Tegeingl ===
"Calls for Flintshire county flag to be established". Flintshire Chronicle. Archived from the original on December 25, 2012. Retrieved 11 September 2012.
^ Jump up to:a b c d e f Sir William Llewelyn Davies. "Edwin of Tegeingl". Dictionary of Welsh Biography. National Library of Wales. Retrieved 15 December 2012.
=== Ancestral File Number: FJGV-FS ===
Ancestral File Number: FJGV-FS
=== Edwin of Merca, Ednowen ap Bradwen Sourc ===
Edwin of Merca, Ednowen ap Bradwen Sources: Title: Book of Ednop Page: he was the Lord of Tegaingl in 1079 Title: Peter Ellis says: [He] is said to have been the Chief of the Fifteenth Noble Tribe of North Wales Title: The royal tribes of Wales. 1799 Yorke, Philip,1743-1804. London, Sold by B. Crosby and co. [1799] LC: DA708 .Y65. Page: 238 Title: "Chief of the Noble Tribes of Gwynedd," H.F.J. Vaughan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th Series Page: in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166 vol. 8, pp. 241, 252-58 Text: makes a powerful case that Edwin of Tegeingl was the same person as Edwin, Earl of Mercia, son of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia, and grandson of Leofric, Earl of Mercia, and his wife, Godgifu (Lady Godiva). Earl Edwin -- whose sister Aldgyth (Edith) married (1) Gruffydd ap Llewellyn, King of Wales; (2) Harold II, King of England --, with is brother Morcar, Earl of Northumbria, led the resistance to William the Conqueror after 1068; Edwin was killed in 1071. Tegeingl, comprising the commotes of Rhuddlan, Coleshill and Prestatin, in Flintshire, was mostly part of Mercia from the 9th to the 11th century. If Vaughan is right, Edwin left descendants in his Welsh territories among whom the memory of their Mercian ancestry became confused, being shifted from the paternal side. Title: "The American Genealogist", periodical Page: 46 (1970), 75- 80 By David Kelly Text: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:02 GMT From: Stewart Baldwin To: GEN-MEDIEVAL@rootsweb.com Says: 36. Edwin. [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The attempt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", TAG 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identify him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: Stewart Baldwin Text: [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The atte mpt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", The American Genealogist 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identify him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: "A Pedigree of the Royal Tribes of Wales" by Roderick D. Davies Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Text: "We find amongst the pedifrees attested by Gutyn Owen and others, that the name which ordinary genealogist call ednowain Bendew, or Eden Owain Bendew, or Owaine Bendew, it really is Edwal ab Owen (or Owain) Bendew. His descendants held the said lands "per baroniam". In process of time the lands of Ednowain in Bodfari, as well as elsewhere were "Graveled" amongst heirs, so that at the beginning of the seventeenth centrury almost all the landholders in that and all neighboring parishes were descendants of Ednowain. Title: "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" Bartrum's, Text: PP = "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" by P. C. Bartrum, in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166. There is a numbered section for each patriarch, and citations are given by these sections.
=== AFN: FJGV-FS ===
AFN: FJGV-FS
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO.68) P.18; THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.77, 132; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== First name: Edwyn (Family History Librar ===
First name: Edwyn (Family History Library archive record (family group sheet))
=== !Archive Family Records, Salt Lake City ===
!Archive Family Records, Salt Lake City !FTM Vol 9, tree #2134.
=== AKA-BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: LDS Ancestor f ===
AKA-BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: LDS Ancestor file - Doc. AFN000466 Aka: Edwin ap Gronwy Birth: 1020; Of,Tegeingl,Flintshire,Wales Marriage: Iwerydd verch Cynfyn Death: 1073; Northop,Coleshill,Flintshire,Wales
=== Fun Facts ===
◦TITLES: Theigne of Hope, Estone (Aston in Hawarden), Castretone (at Northop, Coleselt (Coleshill), and Tegeingl. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 1)
TITLES: Prince of Tegeingl (Englefeld). (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 4 p. 185)
TITLES: Brenin of Tegeingl.
LIVING: 10th century.
RESIDENCE: Northop (Llaneurgain), Flintshire.
RESIDENCE: Llys Edwin, Llaneurgain, and Castell Edwin, Llanasaph. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog)
RESIDENCE: Rhual near Mold was the residence of Edwin when he died for it is recorded that "Edwin of Rhual was buried at Llangeurgain in 1073". (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 3 p. 105)
PROPERTY: He obtained the cantref of Tegeingl through his mother Ethelfleda. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 5 p. 45, 46)
DEATH: Slain by Rhys ap Rhydderch ap Owain in 1073. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 3 p. 244)
REMARKS: He was a founder of one of the Fifteen Tribes of North Wales.
REMARKS: Some sources refer to him as King of Tegeingl. The term King can be misleading. In Wales till the middle of the 12th century individuals were styled 'Brenin' meaning chief or high one, and 'Arglwydd' meaning lord or master.
REMARKS: For further reading of his life and historical background see pages 2-24 of Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh'.
◦(Research):IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 1 footnote 1 states "Eadwine (or "Edwin, " or "Edwyn") ap Goronwy, wrongly called of "of Tegeingl," was the grandson of Einion ap Owen ap Hywel Dda... Einion, the eldest son, had territory in Brecheiniog and Gwent... dying in his father's lifetime, a great part of his lands then in the possession of his sons Eadwine, Tewdwr (or Tudur), Idwallon, Cadell, and Goronwy, fell into Saxon hands before 980-3. Eadwine died in 991 leaving sons Hywel (or Howel) and Owen ap Eadwine, who were ruling Deheubarth about 1034.
IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Griffith's 'Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 309 calls him "Gronwy, Prince of Tegeingl, ob. 1073," thus confusing him with his father.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 3 page 244 gives him a son named Hywel who help his brothers defeat the Normans in Ceredigion and Dyfed.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 5 page 53 gives him a son named Llywarch who was slain in battle in Dyffryn Clwyd.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 18 pedigree makes him the son of Uchdrud ap Ugan (or Eugan, Wgan), and from there in to the Danish-Irish rulers of that timeframe.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 256 pedigree gives the wrong link between this Edwin and his ancestor Hywel "Dda".
LIVING: Investigate> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 256 pedigree states he was living 1086.
=== apparent error in death date ===
apparent error in death date
=== ! From Helen Wilson Mossman Dunwell's Re ===
! From Helen Wilson Mossman Dunwell's Research. Royal Ancestors of Some L.D.S. Families by Michel L. Call. 1975, p.140.
=== !SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #427. ===
!SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #427.
=== !BIRTH RECORD; INFO FROM LDS CHURCH ANC ===
!BIRTH RECORD; INFO FROM LDS CHURCH ANCESTRAL FILE MARRIAGE RECORD; " " " DEATH RECORD; " " " 27TH GREAT GRANDFATHER
=== Source: Young. Young: Edwin of Tegaing ===
Source: Young. Young: Edwin of Tegaingl. ******* SOURCES: 1. Bartrum, Peter C., _Welsh Genealogies, A.D. 300-1400_, page 47(Powys).
=== !Internet Family Search Ancestral File a ===
!Internet Family Search Ancestral File as of 4-28-1999 AFN:FJGV-FS
=== Tegengl or Tegainge is now Flintshire. ===
Tegengl or Tegainge is now Flintshire.
=== !1. Bartrum, 300-1400, pg.272, Edwin 1 a ===
!1. Bartrum, 300-1400, pg.272, Edwin 1 and pg. 42, PP 36.
=== Edwin (d 1073), described as lord or pri ===
Edwin (d 1073), described as lord or prince of Tegeingl (i.e. the commotes of Rhuddlan, Coleshill, and Prestatyn) and founder of one of the 'Fifteen (Noble) Tribes' of North Wales. Tegeingl formed a region, the greater part of which was for over three centuries part of the English kingdom of Mercia - i.e. until it was reconquered by Dafydd ab Owain Gwynedd in the 12th cent. Edwin is described in the same pedigrees as great-great-grandson of Hywel Dda; his mother was Ethelfleda, daughter of Edwin, king of Mercia. He m. Gwerydd, sister of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, and by her had three sons, Owain, Uchdryd, and Hywel. Many North Welsh families (particularly in Flintshire and Denbighshire) claimed descent from Edwain, among them those of Mostyn of Mostyn and Mostyn of Talacre. David Powel of Rmacbon also claimed to be a descendant of Uchdryd ab Edwin. [Dictionary of Welsh Biography p201]
=== PRINCE OF TEGAINGL ===
PRINCE OF TEGAINGL
=== Surname: Gronwy The link between Edwin a ===
Surname: Gronwy The link between Edwin and Owain is circumstantial, but so much evidence shows Edwin of Mercia as the Father of Owain. Edwin is shown as the Grandson of Godivia and Alfgar had a son called Edwin. Acceded: abt 1063 Edwin of Merca, Ednowen ap Bradwen Sources: Title: Book of Ednop Page: he was the Lord of Tegaingl in 1079 Title: Peter Ellis says: [He] is said to have been the Chief of the Fifteenth Noble Tribe of North Wales Title: The royal tribes of Wales. 1799 Yorke, Philip,1743-1804. London, Sold by B. Crosby and co. [1799] LC: DA708 .Y65. Page: 238 Title: "Chief of the Noble Tribes of Gwynedd," H.F.J. Vaughan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th Series Page: in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166 vol. 8, pp. 241, 252-58 Text: makes a powerful case that Edwin of Tegeingl was the same person as Edwin, Earl of Mercia, son of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia, and grandson of Leofric, Earl of Mercia, and his wife, Godgifu (Lady Godiva). Earl Edwin -- whose sister Aldgyth (Edith) married (1) Gruffydd ap Llewellyn, King of Wales; (2) Harold II, King of England --, with is brother Morcar, Earl of Northumbria, led the resistance to William the Conqueror after 1068; Edwin was killed in 1071. Tegeingl, comprising the commotes of Rhuddlan, Coleshill and Prestatin, in Flintshire, was mostly part of Mercia from the 9th to the 11th century. If Vaughan is right, Edwin left descendants in his Welsh territories among whom the memory of their Mercian ancestry became confused, being shifted from the paternal side. Title: "The American Genealogist", periodical Page: 46 (1970), 75- 80 By David Kelly Text: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:02 GMT From: Stewart Baldwin To: GEN-MEDIEVAL@rootsweb.com Says: 36. Edwin. [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The attempt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", TAG 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identi fy him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: Stewart Baldwin Text: [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The attempt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", The American Genealogist 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identify him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: "A Pedigree of the Royal Tribes of Wales" by Roderick D. Davies Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Text: "We find amongst the pedifrees attested by Gutyn Owen and others, that the name which ordinary genealogist call ednowain Bendew, or Eden Owain Bendew, or Owaine Bendew, it really is Edwal ab Owen (or Owain) Bendew. His descendants held the said lands "per baroniam". In process of time the lands of Ednowain in Bodfari, as well as elsewhere were "Graveled" amongst heirs, so that at the beginning of the seventeenth centrury almost all the landholders in that and all neighboring parishes were descendants of Ednowain. Title: "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" Bartrum's, Text: PP = "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" by P. C. Bartrum, in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166. There is a numbered section for each patriarch, and citations are given by these sections.
=== Life Sketch ===
Edwin of Tegeingl (born about 1020 and died 1073) was a prince or lord of the cantref of Tegeingl in north-east Wales.
Later pedigrees provide Edwin and his descendants with a Welsh pedigree, making him son of Gronwy and great-great-grandson of Hywel Dda. However, it has been suggested that this pedigree may have been a late invention, and that his name points to an Anglo-Saxon origin. Edwin was Lord or Prince of the cantref of Tegeingl. The cantref formed the eastern part of Perfeddwlad (or Y Berfeddwlad) on the northern coast of Wales between the River Clwyd and Deeside. The territory, originally forming part of the Kingdom of Gwynedd, had been under the control of the Anglo-Saxons for several centuries and then changed hands several times between the two.
There is no reference to him in the chronicles of Wales; there are, however, references to his sons.
Edwin married Gwerydd, sister of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Prince of Gwynedd and Powys. He had three sons:
. Owain,
. Uchdryd, and
. Hywel.
Edwin would come to be regarded as founder of one of the Fifteen Tribes of Wales, and as such antiquarians in later centuries would invent attributed arms for him.
__________________
Edwin of Tegeingl (born about 1020 and died 1073) was a prince or lord of the cantref of Tegeingl in north-east Wales.
«b»Ancestry«/b»
Most medieval pedigrees identify Edwin's father as Gronwy, a descendant of Hywel Dda. He may have been a great-great-grandson of Hywel Dda although this is disputed. From his name, it is clear he had Anglo-Saxon ancestry, and his mother is believed to have been Ethelfleda or Aldgyth, daughter of Eadwine of Mercia.
«b»Lordship of Tegeingl«/b»
Edwin is known to have been Lord or Prince of the cantref of Tegeingl. The cantref formed the eastern part of Perfeddwlad (or Y Berfeddwlad) on the northern coast of Wales between the River Clwyd and Deeside. The territory, originally forming part of the Kingdom of Gwynedd, had been under the control of the Anglo-Saxons for several centuries and then changed hands several times between the two.
«b»Biography«/b»
Edwin was probably born between 1017 and 1020. He is believed to have resided at Trefedwen near Rhuddlan. Although Edwin is sometimes called King of Tegeingl in the medieval pedigrees there is no reference to him in the chronicles of Wales; there are, however, references to his sons. He appears to have been raised to the lordship of Tegeingl by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, ruler of most of Wales between 1055 and 1064. Edwin married Iwerydd (or Gwerydd), sister of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Prince of Gwynedd and Powys.
«b»Descendants«/b»
Edwin had three sons, Owain, Uchdryd, and Hywel. Many aristocratic North Wales families (particularly in Flintshire and Denbighshire) claimed descent from Edwin including the Mostyns of Mostyn and of Talacre.
=== GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Edwin ===
GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Edwin
ID: Merged with a record that used the ID 54314
BIRTH: Also shown as Born 1020
DEATH: Also shown as Died 1073
=== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_of_Tegeingl ===
"Calls for Flintshire county flag to be established". Flintshire Chronicle. Archived from the original on December 25, 2012. Retrieved 11 September 2012.
^ Jump up to:a b c d e f Sir William Llewelyn Davies. "Edwin of Tegeingl". Dictionary of Welsh Biography. National Library of Wales. Retrieved 15 December 2012.
=== Edwin (d 1073), described as lord or pri ===
Edwin (d 1073), described as lord or prince of Tegeingl (i.e. the commotes of Rhuddlan, Coleshill, and Prestatyn) and founder of one of the 'Fifteen (Noble) Tribes' of North Wales. Tegeingl formed a region, the greater part of which was for over three centuries part of the English kingdom of Mercia - i.e. until it was reconquered by Dafydd ab Owain Gwynedd in the 12th cent. Edwin is described in the same pedigrees as great-great-grandson of Hywel Dda; his mother was Ethelfleda, daughter of Edwin, king of Mercia. He m. Gwerydd, sister of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, and by her had three sons, Owain, Uchdryd, and Hywel. Many North Welsh families (particularly in Flintshire and Denbighshire) claimed descent from Edwain, among them those of Mostyn of Mostyn and Mostyn of Talacre. David Powel of Rmacbon also claimed to be a descendant of Uchdryd ab Edwin. [Dictionary of Welsh Biography p201]
=== First name: Edwyn (Family History Librar ===
First name: Edwyn (Family History Library archive record (family group sheet))
=== ! From Helen Wilson Mossman Dunwell's Re ===
! From Helen Wilson Mossman Dunwell's Research. Royal Ancestors of Some L.D.S. Families by Michel L. Call. 1975, p.140.
=== AKA-BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: LDS Ancestor f ===
AKA-BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: LDS Ancestor file - Doc. AFN000466 Aka: Edwin ap Gronwy Birth: 1020; Of,Tegeingl,Flintshire,Wales Marriage: Iwerydd verch Cynfyn Death: 1073; Northop,Coleshill,Flintshire,Wales
=== !1. Bartrum, 300-1400, pg.272, Edwin 1 a ===
!1. Bartrum, 300-1400, pg.272, Edwin 1 and pg. 42, PP 36.
=== !Archive Family Records, Salt Lake City ===
!Archive Family Records, Salt Lake City !FTM Vol 9, tree #2134.
=== Fun Facts ===
◦TITLES: Theigne of Hope, Estone (Aston in Hawarden), Castretone (at Northop, Coleselt (Coleshill), and Tegeingl. (Glenn, Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh, p. 1)
TITLES: Prince of Tegeingl (Englefeld). (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 4 p. 185)
TITLES: Brenin of Tegeingl.
LIVING: 10th century.
RESIDENCE: Northop (Llaneurgain), Flintshire.
RESIDENCE: Llys Edwin, Llaneurgain, and Castell Edwin, Llanasaph. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog)
RESIDENCE: Rhual near Mold was the residence of Edwin when he died for it is recorded that "Edwin of Rhual was buried at Llangeurgain in 1073". (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 3 p. 105)
PROPERTY: He obtained the cantref of Tegeingl through his mother Ethelfleda. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 5 p. 45, 46)
DEATH: Slain by Rhys ap Rhydderch ap Owain in 1073. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 3 p. 244)
REMARKS: He was a founder of one of the Fifteen Tribes of North Wales.
REMARKS: Some sources refer to him as King of Tegeingl. The term King can be misleading. In Wales till the middle of the 12th century individuals were styled 'Brenin' meaning chief or high one, and 'Arglwydd' meaning lord or master.
REMARKS: For further reading of his life and historical background see pages 2-24 of Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh'.
◦(Research):IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 1 footnote 1 states "Eadwine (or "Edwin, " or "Edwyn") ap Goronwy, wrongly called of "of Tegeingl," was the grandson of Einion ap Owen ap Hywel Dda... Einion, the eldest son, had territory in Brecheiniog and Gwent... dying in his father's lifetime, a great part of his lands then in the possession of his sons Eadwine, Tewdwr (or Tudur), Idwallon, Cadell, and Goronwy, fell into Saxon hands before 980-3. Eadwine died in 991 leaving sons Hywel (or Howel) and Owen ap Eadwine, who were ruling Deheubarth about 1034.
IDENTITY: Conflict/Error> Griffith's 'Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 309 calls him "Gronwy, Prince of Tegeingl, ob. 1073," thus confusing him with his father.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 3 page 244 gives him a son named Hywel who help his brothers defeat the Normans in Ceredigion and Dyfed.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 5 page 53 gives him a son named Llywarch who was slain in battle in Dyffryn Clwyd.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 18 pedigree makes him the son of Uchdrud ap Ugan (or Eugan, Wgan), and from there in to the Danish-Irish rulers of that timeframe.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 256 pedigree gives the wrong link between this Edwin and his ancestor Hywel "Dda".
LIVING: Investigate> Glenn's 'Family of Griffith of Garn and Plasnewydd in the County of Denbigh' page 256 pedigree states he was living 1086.
=== !#4568-v1-p42,47; v4-p262; v5-p272*,281, ===
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=== From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 J ===
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 5 JAN 1998.
=== Merion in the Welsh Tract p 216-217 Burk ===
Merion in the Welsh Tract p 216-217 Burkes Guide to the Royal Family p 323 Merion in the Welsh Tract p 216-217 Burkes Guide to the Royal Family p 323
=== Heraldic Visitations of Wales 2:54 ===
Heraldic Visitations of Wales 2:54
=== !BIRTH RECORD; INFO FROM LDS CHURCH ANC ===
!BIRTH RECORD; INFO FROM LDS CHURCH ANCESTRAL FILE MARRIAGE RECORD; " " " DEATH RECORD; " " " 27TH GREAT GRANDFATHER
=== Edwin of Merca, Ednowen ap Bradwen Sourc ===
Edwin of Merca, Ednowen ap Bradwen Sources: Title: Book of Ednop Page: he was the Lord of Tegaingl in 1079 Title: Peter Ellis says: [He] is said to have been the Chief of the Fifteenth Noble Tribe of North Wales Title: The royal tribes of Wales. 1799 Yorke, Philip,1743-1804. London, Sold by B. Crosby and co. [1799] LC: DA708 .Y65. Page: 238 Title: "Chief of the Noble Tribes of Gwynedd," H.F.J. Vaughan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th Series Page: in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166 vol. 8, pp. 241, 252-58 Text: makes a powerful case that Edwin of Tegeingl was the same person as Edwin, Earl of Mercia, son of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia, and grandson of Leofric, Earl of Mercia, and his wife, Godgifu (Lady Godiva). Earl Edwin -- whose sister Aldgyth (Edith) married (1) Gruffydd ap Llewellyn, King of Wales; (2) Harold II, King of England --, with is brother Morcar, Earl of Northumbria, led the resistance to William the Conqueror after 1068; Edwin was killed in 1071. Tegeingl, comprising the commotes of Rhuddlan, Coleshill and Prestatin, in Flintshire, was mostly part of Mercia from the 9th to the 11th century. If Vaughan is right, Edwin left descendants in his Welsh territories among whom the memory of their Mercian ancestry became confused, being shifted from the paternal side. Title: "The American Genealogist", periodical Page: 46 (1970), 75- 80 By David Kelly Text: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:02 GMT From: Stewart Baldwin To: GEN-MEDIEVAL@rootsweb.com Says: 36. Edwin. [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The attempt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", TAG 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identify him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: Stewart Baldwin Text: [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The atte mpt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", The American Genealogist 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identify him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: "A Pedigree of the Royal Tribes of Wales" by Roderick D. Davies Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Text: "We find amongst the pedifrees attested by Gutyn Owen and others, that the name which ordinary genealogist call ednowain Bendew, or Eden Owain Bendew, or Owaine Bendew, it really is Edwal ab Owen (or Owain) Bendew. His descendants held the said lands "per baroniam". In process of time the lands of Ednowain in Bodfari, as well as elsewhere were "Graveled" amongst heirs, so that at the beginning of the seventeenth centrury almost all the landholders in that and all neighboring parishes were descendants of Ednowain. Title: "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" Bartrum's, Text: PP = "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" by P. C. Bartrum, in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166. There is a numbered section for each patriarch, and citations are given by these sections.
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO.68) P.18; THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY (GS NUMBER Q940 D2T) P.77, 132; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== AFN: FJGV-FS ===
AFN: FJGV-FS
=== Tegengl or Tegainge is now Flintshire. ===
Tegengl or Tegainge is now Flintshire.
=== Surname: Gronwy The link between Edwin a ===
Surname: Gronwy The link between Edwin and Owain is circumstantial, but so much evidence shows Edwin of Mercia as the Father of Owain. Edwin is shown as the Grandson of Godivia and Alfgar had a son called Edwin. Acceded: abt 1063 Edwin of Merca, Ednowen ap Bradwen Sources: Title: Book of Ednop Page: he was the Lord of Tegaingl in 1079 Title: Peter Ellis says: [He] is said to have been the Chief of the Fifteenth Noble Tribe of North Wales Title: The royal tribes of Wales. 1799 Yorke, Philip,1743-1804. London, Sold by B. Crosby and co. [1799] LC: DA708 .Y65. Page: 238 Title: "Chief of the Noble Tribes of Gwynedd," H.F.J. Vaughan in Archaeologia Cambrensis, 5th Series Page: in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166 vol. 8, pp. 241, 252-58 Text: makes a powerful case that Edwin of Tegeingl was the same person as Edwin, Earl of Mercia, son of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia, and grandson of Leofric, Earl of Mercia, and his wife, Godgifu (Lady Godiva). Earl Edwin -- whose sister Aldgyth (Edith) married (1) Gruffydd ap Llewellyn, King of Wales; (2) Harold II, King of England --, with is brother Morcar, Earl of Northumbria, led the resistance to William the Conqueror after 1068; Edwin was killed in 1071. Tegeingl, comprising the commotes of Rhuddlan, Coleshill and Prestatin, in Flintshire, was mostly part of Mercia from the 9th to the 11th century. If Vaughan is right, Edwin left descendants in his Welsh territories among whom the memory of their Mercian ancestry became confused, being shifted from the paternal side. Title: "The American Genealogist", periodical Page: 46 (1970), 75- 80 By David Kelly Text: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:02 GMT From: Stewart Baldwin To: GEN-MEDIEVAL@rootsweb.com Says: 36. Edwin. [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The attempt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", TAG 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identi fy him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: Stewart Baldwin Text: [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The attempt of David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", The American Genealogist 46 (1970), 75- 80) to identify him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.] Title: "A Pedigree of the Royal Tribes of Wales" by Roderick D. Davies Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Text: "We find amongst the pedifrees attested by Gutyn Owen and others, that the name which ordinary genealogist call ednowain Bendew, or Eden Owain Bendew, or Owaine Bendew, it really is Edwal ab Owen (or Owain) Bendew. His descendants held the said lands "per baroniam". In process of time the lands of Ednowain in Bodfari, as well as elsewhere were "Graveled" amongst heirs, so that at the beginning of the seventeenth centrury almost all the landholders in that and all neighboring parishes were descendants of Ednowain. Title: "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" Bartrum's, Text: PP = "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" by P. C. Bartrum, in Nationary Library of Wales Journal, vol. 13, pp. 93-146 and vol. 15, pp. 157-166. There is a numbered section for each patriarch, and citations are given by these sections.
=== Source: Young. Young: Edwin of Tegaing ===
Source: Young. Young: Edwin of Tegaingl. ******* SOURCES: 1. Bartrum, Peter C., _Welsh Genealogies, A.D. 300-1400_, page 47(Powys).
=== apparent error in death date ===
apparent error in death date
=== Ancestral File Number: FJGV-FS ===
Ancestral File Number: FJGV-FS
=== !SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #427. ===
!SOURCE: "Royal Ancestors," PC #427.
=== !Internet Family Search Ancestral File a ===
!Internet Family Search Ancestral File as of 4-28-1999 AFN:FJGV-FS
=== PRINCE OF TEGAINGL ===
PRINCE OF TEGAINGL
Preferred Parents:
Father: Gronwy ap Gwaithfoed, b. ABT 975 in Bagillt, Flintshire, Wales d. 1020 in Wales
Mother: Aethelflaeda ferch Eadwine, b. ABT 1000 in Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales d. 1044 in Dyfed, Wales
Family 1: Iweydd verch Cynfyn, b. ABT 1024 in Powys, Wales d. ABT 1048 in Montgomeryshire, Wales
- Uchdrud ab Edwin, b. ABT 1050 in Tegeingl commote, Flintshire, Wales d. AFT 1116 in Tegeingl commote, Flintshire, Wales
- Owain ab Edwin of Tegeingl , b. ABT 1044 in Llys Y Coed, Flintshire, Wales d. 1105 in Llys Y Coed, Flintshire, Wales
- Ednowain Bendew, b. ABT 1047 in Wales d. 1105
- Owain ab Edwin, b. ABT 1050 in Llys Y Coed, Flintshire, Wales, United Kingdom d. ABT 1105 in Flintshire, Wales, United Kingdom
- OWAIN GWYNEDD AP EADWINE, b. ABT 1050 in Llys Edwin, Flintshire, Wales d. ABT 1105 in Llys Edwin, Flintshire, Wales
Sources:
- Title: Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-2015
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