Elidir Lydanwyn ap Meirchion Gul of Rheged

• Preferred Name: Elidir Lydanwyn ap Meirchion Gul of Rheged^{[1] [2]}
  
• Alternate Name: Elidir "Llydanwyn" ap Meirchion
  
• Gender: M
  
• FSID: LZ48-XJJ
  
• Nickname:
  
• Birth: 485 in Rheged, Prydain, Early British Kingdom at LATI: N1.4309 LONG: E0.921 with note: Rheged, Prydain familytrees.genopro.com/Azrael/Skaggs/apMeirchionGul-ElidyrLlydenwyn
  
• Occupation: King of Rheged in Wales at LATI: N2.3302 LONG: E3.7664
  
• Death: 560 in Powys, Wales at LATI: N2.3336 LONG: E3.3823
  
• Notes:

  === Life Sketch ===
  History Files
  
  535 - c.560 --Elidyr Llydanwyn (the Stout & Handsome), son of Meirchion of Rheged. First King of South Rheged.
  
  c.570 - c.613 --Llywarch Hen (the Old), son. Flourit before 600. Last king of South Rheged. Died 634.
  
  c.570 - c.582 --During Llywarch's reign he is also king of Ynys Manau until it is effectively snatched from him by the Ulaid. His name, Llywarch, seems to break down into two parts, with 'warch' perhaps being 'varch' (later 'vark' and then 'march'), which means a horse or stallion. The first part is more complicated. 'Llu' forms the word 'host' ('lluoedd'), while 'llu arfog' is an armed force. so Llywarch could be taken to mean 'stallion host' (literally, 'cavalry force', or perhaps more poetically, 'war horse' as a metaphor for the leader of the host). Another school of thought which has far less weight to its argument proposes that 'Lly' descends from 'Lleu' and then Lugh, the sun god, making the name 'Lugh's stallion'.
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  Early British Kingdoms
  
  Elidyr Llydanwyn, King of South Rheged
  (Born c.AD 462)
  (Welsh: Elidyr; Latin: Elidurus; English: Elider)
  
  The first King of Rheged's southern region inherited from his father, Meichion Gul, in the mid-530s. It covered modern Lancashire and Cheshire, and was probably centred on Ribchester or Lancaster. Rheged-dale or modern Rochdale still retains the name of his Kingdom. Little is known about him, unlike his contemporary and namesake with whom he is often confused, the Strathclyde Prince, Elidyr Mwynfawr (the Wealthy). The King of South Rheged was Stout and Handsome - an interesting combination.
  
  === Refer to http://histfam.familysearch.org ===
  Refer to http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I283&tree=Welsh for the compiled sources on his family. These are pedigrees primarily of the nobility and gentry of Wales compiled by the royalty and midieval departments of the Family History Department.
  
  === History Files ===
  History Files
  
  535 - c.560 --Elidyr Llydanwyn (the Stout & Handsome), son of Meirchion of Rheged. First King of South Rheged.
  
  c.570 - c.613 --Llywarch Hen (the Old), son. Flourit before 600. Last king of South Rheged. Died 634.
  
  c.570 - c.582 --During Llywarch's reign he is also king of Ynys Manau until it is effectively snatched from him by the Ulaid. His name, Llywarch, seems to break down into two parts, with 'warch' perhaps being 'varch' (later 'vark' and then 'march'), which means a horse or stallion. The first part is more complicated. 'Llu' forms the word 'host' ('lluoedd'), while 'llu arfog' is an armed force. so Llywarch could be taken to mean 'stallion host' (literally, 'cavalry force', or perhaps more poetically, 'war horse' as a metaphor for the leader of the host). Another school of thought which has far less weight to its argument proposes that 'Lly' descends from 'Lleu' and then Lugh, the sun god, making the name 'Lugh's stallion'.
  ********************************
  Early British Kingdoms
  
  Elidyr Llydanwyn, King of South Rheged
  (Born c.AD 462)
  (Welsh: Elidyr; Latin: Elidurus; English: Elider)
  
  The first King of Rheged's southern region inherited from his father, Meichion Gul, in the mid-530s. It covered modern Lancashire and Cheshire, and was probably centred on Ribchester or Lancaster. Rheged-dale or modern Rochdale still retains the name of his Kingdom. Little is known about him, unlike his contemporary and namesake with whom he is often confused, the Strathclyde Prince, Elidyr Mwynfawr (the Wealthy). The King of South Rheged was Stout and Handsome - an interesting combination.
  
  !1. Bartrum, 300-1400, pg. 9
  
  Bartrum's "Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts."
  
  !Aristocratic & Royal Ancestors GS 929.242 H249t p. 881
  
  Submitters: Holly Forrest Tamer and Dale (Updike line) (WordlConnect, www.rootsweb.com) have slightly different pedigrees for Grwrst "Ledlwm" ap Cenau. Both pedigrees are included in this PAF until information can be further verified. Website: www.peugh,com/walesperiod.html seems to support with the Holly Forrest Tamer version.
  
  Name: Gwrgwst "Ledlwm" (the Ragged) ap Ceneu
  Born about 400?, South Reged, Britain
  (Website: www.peugh.com/walesperiod.html)
  
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  GIVN Meirchion SURN Gul NSFX King of Rheged DATE 3 SEP 1999 TIME 00:00:00 DATE 12 MAY 2000 GIVN Meirchion SURN Gul NSFX King of Rheged DATE 3 SEP 1999 TIME 00:00:00 DATE 12 MAY 2000
  
  dead
  
  Father may be Merchiaun Gul, son of Gwrst Ledlum, son of Ceneu, son of Coel Hen (wife Ystrdwal daughter of Cadfan, son of Cynan, son of Eudaf Hen by the unnamed daughter of Carausius), son of Guotepauc, son of Tegfan, son of Teuhvant, son of Telpuil, son of Erb, son of Gratus, son of Iumetel, son of Ritigern, son of Oudicant, son of Outigern, son of Eliud, son of Eudaf, son of Eudelen, son of Amalech, son of Beli, son of Bran the Blessed (wife Anna daughter of Joseph of Arimathea), son of Llyr (wife his cousin Penardun daughter of Llud son of Beli Mawr), son of Caswallon, son of Beli Mawr
  
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  [JaneMorgan.FTW]
  
  Gwrast Lledlwm, King of Rheged
  (Born c.AD 422)
  (Welsh: Gwrast; Latin: Gurgustus; English: Fergus)
  
  Gwrast the Ragged, the son of King Ceneu of Northern Britain, was ruler of a huge Kingdom that covered the whole modern North-West England. It stretched from Hadrian's Wall above Caer-Ligmaclid (Carlisle) all the way down to Campoduno (Leeds) in Midland Britain and Caer-Legion (Chester) in the East. He ruled in the mid 5th century, but nothing else is known of him. His epithet is intriguing.
  
  From www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/gwrastrd.html
  
  Name: Elidir "Lydanwyn" ap Meirchion Gul
  Born abt 510?, Wales
  (Website: www.peugh.com/walesperiod.html)
  
  Refer to http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I283&tree=Welsh for the compiled sources on his family. These are pedigrees primarily of the nobility and gentry of Wales compiled by the royalty and midieval departments of the Family History Department.
  
  In the great upheaval of the century after Roman rule, it seems likely that Gurgust inherited most of the Brigantian territory, particularly the area of Rheged and the west.
  
  !Brown book 5, P C 651. Sir Rhys ap Thomas, Knight of the Garter. Research by Mrs Alice Miller, MD.
  
  Merchiaun carved out a kingdom in southern Cumbria, south of Carlisle, including what is now the Lake District and parts of Lancashire. Merchiaun's kingdom became one of the most powerful of the Men of the North.
  
  2 SOUR S003600 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Jun 28, 2002 2 SOUR S003620 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Aug 22, 2002 2 SOUR S003758 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Aug 27, 2002 2 SOUR S003861 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Sep 17, 2002 2 SOUR S003886 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Oct 8, 2002 2 SOUR S229184 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Dec 3, 2002 [3a william morgan.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) *[L Hays 8-27-02.FTW] [Louisa Hays 05.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) *[Humphrey 3.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) *[Humphrey 27.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) *[Corrie Hale Families 11-18-02.FTW] [3a william morgan.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) *[L Hays 8-27-02.FTW] [Louisa Hays 05.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) *[Humphrey 3.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) *[Humphrey 27.ged] Elidir Lydanwyn (K of S Rheged) * !NOTE: 3a william morgan.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of !NOTE: Louisa Hays 05.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of Import: !NOTE: L Hays 8-27-02.FTW;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of Import: !NOTE: Humphrey 3.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of Import: Sep !NOTE: Humphrey 27.ged;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. Date of Import: Oct !NOTE: Corrie Hale Families 11-18-02.FTW;;;;, Source Media Type: Other. !NOTE: GEDCOM File : Corrie Hale Families 12-4-02.ged !MARRIAGE: GEDCOM File : Corrie Hale Families 12-4-02.ged
  
  === Submitters: Holly Forrest Tamer and Dale ===
  Submitters: Holly Forrest Tamer and Dale (Updike line) (WordlConnect, www.rootsweb.com) have slightly different pedigrees for Grwrst "Ledlwm" ap Cenau. Both pedigrees are included in this PAF until information can be further verified. Website: www.peugh,com/walesperiod.html seems to support with the Holly Forrest Tamer version.
  
  Name: Gwrgwst "Ledlwm" (the Ragged) ap Ceneu
  Born about 400?, South Reged, Britain
  (Website: www.peugh.com/walesperiod.html)
  
  === Name: Elidir "Lydanwyn" ap Meirchion Gul ===
  Name: Elidir "Lydanwyn" ap Meirchion Gul
  Born abt 510?, Wales
  (Website: www.peugh.com/walesperiod.html)
  
  === GIVN Meirchion SURN Gul NSFX King of Rhe ===
  GIVN Meirchion SURN Gul NSFX King of Rheged DATE 3 SEP 1999 TIME 00:00:00 DATE 12 MAY 2000 GIVN Meirchion SURN Gul NSFX King of Rheged DATE 3 SEP 1999 TIME 00:00:00 DATE 12 MAY 2000
  
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  === !Aristocratic & Royal Ancestors GS 929.2 ===
  !Aristocratic & Royal Ancestors GS 929.242 H249t p. 881
  
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  === [JaneMorgan.FTW]
  
  Gwrast Lledlwm, King o ===
  [JaneMorgan.FTW]
  
  Gwrast Lledlwm, King of Rheged
  (Born c.AD 422)
  (Welsh: Gwrast; Latin: Gurgustus; English: Fergus)
  
  Gwrast the Ragged, the son of King Ceneu of Northern Britain, was ruler of a huge Kingdom that covered the whole modern North-West England. It stretched from Hadrian's Wall above Caer-Ligmaclid (Carlisle) all the way down to Campoduno (Leeds) in Midland Britain and Caer-Legion (Chester) in the East. He ruled in the mid 5th century, but nothing else is known of him. His epithet is intriguing.
  
  From www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/gwrastrd.html
  
  === Merchiaun carved out a kingdom in southe ===
  Merchiaun carved out a kingdom in southern Cumbria, south of Carlisle, including what is now the Lake District and parts of Lancashire. Merchiaun's kingdom became one of the most powerful of the Men of the North.
  
  === Possible ancestry ===
  Father may be Merchiaun Gul, son of Gwrst Ledlum, son of Ceneu, son of Coel Hen (wife Ystrdwal daughter of Cadfan, son of Cynan, son of Eudaf Hen by the unnamed daughter of Carausius), son of Guotepauc, son of Tegfan, son of Teuhvant, son of Telpuil, son of Erb, son of Gratus, son of Iumetel, son of Ritigern, son of Oudicant, son of Outigern, son of Eliud, son of Eudaf, son of Eudelen, son of Amalech, son of Beli, son of Bran the Blessed (wife Anna daughter of Joseph of Arimathea), son of Llyr (wife his cousin Penardun daughter of Llud son of Beli Mawr), son of Caswallon, son of Beli Mawr
  
  === !Brown book 5, P C 651. Sir Rhys ap Thom ===
  !Brown book 5, P C 651. Sir Rhys ap Thomas, Knight of the Garter. Research by Mrs Alice Miller, MD.
  
  === !1. Bartrum, 300-1400, pg. 9 ===
  !1. Bartrum, 300-1400, pg. 9
  
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  === Bartrum's "Early Welsh Genealogical Tra ===
  Bartrum's "Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts."
  
  === In the great upheaval of the century aft ===
  In the great upheaval of the century after Roman rule, it seems likely that Gurgust inherited most of the Brigantian territory, particularly the area of Rheged and the west.
  
  === !#4568> Welsh Genealogies Ad 300-1400,-v ===
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  === dead ===
  dead

• m. ABT 483 in Brecknock, Brecon, Wales

1. Llywarch Hen ap Elidir Prince of South Reghed, b. 510 in Isle of Man     d. in Wales
2. Llywarch Hen Ap Elidir Princ of S, b. 520 in Of, Deheubarth, Wales     d. in Powys, Wales

1. Title: Early British Kingdoms
   Publication: Name: http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/elidyrrd.html;
   Note: Elidyr Llydanwyn, King of South Rheged (Born c.AD 462) (Welsh: Elidyr; Latin: Elidurus; English: Elider) The first King of Rheged's southern region inherited from his father, Meichion Gul, in the mid-530s. It covered modern Lancashire and Cheshire, and was probably centred on Ribchester or Lancaster. Rheged-dale or modern Rochdale still retains the name of his Kingdom. Little is known about him, unlike his contemporary and namesake with whom he is often confused, the Strathclyde Prince, Elidyr Mwynfawr (the Wealthy). The King of South Rheged was Stout and Handsome - an interesting combination.
   
2. Title: Wikitree - Elidyr Llydanwyn ap Meirchion
   Publication: Name: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meirchion-5;
   Note: King Elidyr Llydanwyn ap "Llydanwyn" Meirchion Born about 0480 in South Reged, Englandmap ANCESTORS ancestors Son of Meirchion Ap Gwrgust and [mother unknown] Brother of Gorlais Ap Meircion [half], Unknown Mor [half], Idno ap (Meirchion) Meirchion Gul [half], VRYEN ap Meirchion [half], CINMARC OER ap Meirchion [half], Cynfarch Oer ap Meirchion [half] and LIER MARINI ap Merchion [half] Husband of Gwawr (Brychan) Elidir Lydanwyn — married [date unknown] in Strathclyde, Walesmap DESCENDANTS descendants Father of Llywarch Hen (Elidir) ap Elidyr Died about 0560 in Powys, Wales