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Maud de Verdun
- Preferred Name: Maud de Verdun[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
- Gender: F
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: Baroness Grey
- Death: 23 OCT 1323 in Wilton, Herefordshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N1.9167 LONG: E2.6
- Birth: 1256 in Drayton Bassett, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom at LATI: N2.5993 LONG: E1.7156
- FSID: L85C-YS5
- http://familysearch.org/v1/TitleOfNobility: with note: Description: Baroness Grey of Wilton
- Nickname:
- Burial: AFT 28 OCT 1323 in England, United Kingdom at LATI: N2.4379 LONG: E1.6496
- Title (Nobility): with note: Description: Baroness Drayton of Staffordshire
- Notes:
=== Life Sketch ===
• Background Information: Wife of John de Grey.
royalancestry AT msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<5cf47a19.0201151600.4392e754 AT posting.google.com>...
Dear Newsgroup ~
In the wake of the new discovery of Theobald de Verdun's wife, Margery de Bohun, new attention has been turned to the baronial families of Verdun and Bohun. As indicated by Complete Peerage, Theobald de Verdun's step-mother, Eleanor, 2nd wife of John de Verdun, is thought to have been a Bohun, she having sealed with those arms as reported by Complete Peerage sub Verdun. Chris Philips reported his findings on this matter in a post today.
As it turns out, Eleanor, 2nd wife of John de Verdun, does in fact appear to have been a Bohun. My research indicates that Eleanor evidently had as her maritagium the manor of Debden, Essex (a Bohun manor), which property she in turn conveyed as a widow in 1275/6 to John de Grey, of Wilton, co. Hereford, and his wife, Maud. The fine conveying this property is found in Essex Feet of Fines, vol. 2, pg. 13. At his death years later, John de Grey is stated to have held the manor of Debden of Eleanor de Verdun by the service of a rose, the standard service for property granted in marriage in this period (see Cal. IPM, vol. 6, pg. 311). As such, it seems rather clear that John de Grey's wife, Maud, was the daughter of John de Verdun, by his 2nd wife, Eleanor de Bohun.
We can be reasonably certain that Maud de Grey was Eleanor de Verdun's daughter, as Eleanor being a Bohun surely had the manor of Debden in marriage, and in turn passed it along to her daughter, Maud. In this time period, a woman's maritagium almost always fell to her descendants, unless she happened to be childless, when she sometimes conveyed it away to strangers. In Eleanor's case, we know that she had several other male children, so the odds that she would convey her maritagium to the Grey family without there being a kinship is virtually slim to none. Also, it appears that John de Grey and his wife, Maud, were small children at the time of Eleanor de Verdun's fine. Complete Peerage indicates that John de Grey was born about 1268 (he being aged 40 at his father's death in 1308). Eleanor de Verdun's other known child, Humphrey, was born in 1267. It would be odd for Eleanor to convey her property to children, unless of course one of the parties was her own child.
Following John de Grey's death, the manor of Debden, Essex was in turn held by John and Maud de Grey's son and heir, Henry de Grey, Lord Grey, of Wilton (see Cal. IPM, vol. 8, pg. 261), as well as by a later Henry Grey, Lord Grey, of Wilton (see Cal. IPM, vol. 17, pg. 253). At the later Henry de Grey's death, he is stated to hold the manor of "Weldebernys" in Debden of the Countess of Hereford (a Bohun descendant). The passage of this manor down to John de Grey's son, Henry, and thence to his heirs gives evidence that Henry was in fact the son of John de Grey's wife, Maud de Verdun.
These new discoveries causes a ripple of corrections for Complete Peerage as well as for the Plantagenet Ancestry manuscript. For starters, it now appears that John de Grey had but one wife, Maud de Verdun, not two as claimed by Complete Peerage. Also, it appears Maud de Verdun was the mother of all of John de Grey's children, presumably including Iseult Saint Pierre, living 1343, whose existence and identity I mentioned in a post this past week.
As for the identity of parentage of Eleanor de Bohun, Complete Peerage indicates that she married before 1267 to John de Verdun, and that they had a son, Humphrey de Verdun, born in 1267. If we assume that Eleanor was around 20 at the time of marriage, say 1265, the chronology would place Eleanor, born say 1245, as a hitherto unknown daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (died 1275), by his 2nd wife, Maud de Avenbury. The date of the marriage of Earl Humphrey and Maud de Avenbury is not known, but presumably it was soon after the death of his 1st wife, Maud of Eu, which took place in 1241. Earl Humphrey and Maud are known to have had children, but no modern descendants have been found for this couple.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com
http://cybergata.com/roots/8818.htm
=== Name Suffix: Baroness of Grey ===
Name Suffix: Baroness of Grey
REFN: HWS20083
Ancestral File Number: 9FSB-3K
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\C_baron1.GIF
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\Grey.GIF
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\bassett2.jpg
=== Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
Twenty-Fourth Great Grandmother : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandmother
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.38, 45, 46; COKAYNE'S COMPLETE PEERAGE; BURKE'S DORMANT AND EXTINCT PEERAGE; DUGDALE'S BARONETAGE, VOL 1 P.619 THRU 629; ROYAL ANCESTORS OF MAGNA CHARTA BARONS BY COLLINS; GREY FROM COUNTY CORTLAND AND RUTLAND BY BLOARE; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
=== !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen ===
!BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
=== My PAF Notes ===
from thepeerage.com, 6/2009:
Maud Basset1
F, #42687
Maud Basset||p4269.htm#i42687|Sir Ralph Basset|d. 4 Aug 1265|p3683.htm#i36825|Margaret de Somery||p11697.htm#i116970|Ralph Basset|d. bt 1254 - 1261|p11697.htm#i116965||||Roger de Somery||p2353.htm#i23521|Nicole d'Aubigny||p2352.htm#i23520|
Last Edited=29 Dec 2008
Maud Basset was the daughter of Sir Ralph Basset and Margaret de Somery .1 She married John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton) , son of Sir Reynold de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Wilton) and Maud de Longchamp .1
Her married name became de Grey.1
Children of Maud Basset and John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton)
Sir Roger de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Ruthin) + d. 6 Mar 1352/532
Joan de Grey + d. b 5 Apr 13531
Citations
[S6 ] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VI, page 174. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
[S37 ] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003). Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
=== Almost nothing is known about Maud de Ve ===
Almost nothing is known about Maud de Verdun. Her existence is an inference.
Chris Phillips writes in ''Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage'', under [http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_greyofwilton.shtml Volume 6: Grey of Wilton] (PROPOSED CORRECTIONS):
Volume 6, page 174:
He [John (de Grey), Lord Grey (of Wilton) (died 1323)] married 1stly (it is said), Anne, daughter of Sir William DE FERRERS, of Groby, co. Leicester, by his 1st wife, Anne, da. of Sir Hugh LE DESPENSER, of Ryhall, Rutland, Loughborough, co. Leicester, Parlington, co. York, &c. Hem., 2ndly, Maud, who is said to have been daughter of Sir Ralph BASSET, of Drayton, co. Stafford, by Margaret, daughter of Sir Roger DE SOMERY, of Dudley, co. Worcester.
:Douglas Richardson, in January 2002, provided evidence that John's wife in 1277 was called Maud, and suggested that she was the daughter of John de Verdun (d. 1274), by his second wife Eleanor, who was apparently a Bohun [citing Essex Feet of Fines, vol. 2, p. 13, a fine by whichEleanor settled lands in Debden, Essex, on John and Maud, in Trinity Term, 5 Edward I]. He also pointed out that Blore [History and Antiquities of the County of Rutland, pp. 164, 165 (1811)] identifies a wife of John de Grey as "Matilda, daughter of John de Verdun".
:The evidence suggests further that Maud was the mother of John's sons Henry and Roger (who later disputed the manor of Weldebernes, in Debden [citing Index of Placita de Banco, 1327-1328, part 1, p. 143 (P.R.O.Lists and Indexes, no 32)]) and his daughter Joan (whose daughter Margaret was found to be related in the fourth degree to her husband Johnde Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex (died 1335/6) [citing Calendar of Papal Letters, vol. 2, p. 349]).
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p609.htm#i18281 Marlyn Lewis].
__________
Style standards rule. See Changes tab for history.
Thanks to [[Harper-1691 | Jean Maunder]], [[Riedesel-2 |Dallas Riedesel]], [[Rose-518|Derek Rose]], [[Alvis-9|Katherine Patterson]], [[Durrell-33 | Pamela Durrell]], [[Wilkinson-867 | Stephen Wilkinson]], [[Kelley-630 | Christina Marshall]], in no particular order.
----
== Biography ==
== Sources ==
* '''Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson Vol. V p. 368'''
* Magna Carta Ancestry 2011 2nd ed. Vol. IV p. 341-343
=== Following excerpted from a posting to so ===
Following excerpted from a posting to soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup:
From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Maud de Verdun, wife of John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-02-13 22:42:27 PST
I should add that when I first posted my discovery of the 1276/7 fine, I was of the impression that John and Maud de Grey were small children when the fine was recorded. I held this view because Complete Peerage stated that John was said to be aged 40 at the time of his father's death in 1308, or born about 1268. However, it now appears that that John was actually closer to age 50 in 1308, which is indicated by John's first appearance as an adult in the records in the late 1270's, as shown by Moor's Knights of Edward I. I have also since located the Grey pedigree in Blore's History of Rutland which states that John de Grey married Maud, daughter of John de Verdun. Since Blore never saw the fine below, it would appear he relied on another source for the marriage of John and Maud de Grey.
best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
=== Life Sketch ===
• Background Information: Wife of John de Grey.
royalancestry AT msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<5cf47a19.0201151600.4392e754 AT posting.google.com>...
Dear Newsgroup ~
In the wake of the new discovery of Theobald de Verdun's wife, Margery de Bohun, new attention has been turned to the baronial families of Verdun and Bohun. As indicated by Complete Peerage, Theobald de Verdun's step-mother, Eleanor, 2nd wife of John de Verdun, is thought to have been a Bohun, she having sealed with those arms as reported by Complete Peerage sub Verdun. Chris Philips reported his findings on this matter in a post today.
As it turns out, Eleanor, 2nd wife of John de Verdun, does in fact appear to have been a Bohun. My research indicates that Eleanor evidently had as her maritagium the manor of Debden, Essex (a Bohun manor), which property she in turn conveyed as a widow in 1275/6 to John de Grey, of Wilton, co. Hereford, and his wife, Maud. The fine conveying this property is found in Essex Feet of Fines, vol. 2, pg. 13. At his death years later, John de Grey is stated to have held the manor of Debden of Eleanor de Verdun by the service of a rose, the standard service for property granted in marriage in this period (see Cal. IPM, vol. 6, pg. 311). As such, it seems rather clear that John de Grey's wife, Maud, was the daughter of John de Verdun, by his 2nd wife, Eleanor de Bohun.
We can be reasonably certain that Maud de Grey was Eleanor de Verdun's daughter, as Eleanor being a Bohun surely had the manor of Debden in marriage, and in turn passed it along to her daughter, Maud. In this time period, a woman's maritagium almost always fell to her descendants, unless she happened to be childless, when she sometimes conveyed it away to strangers. In Eleanor's case, we know that she had several other male children, so the odds that she would convey her maritagium to the Grey family without there being a kinship is virtually slim to none. Also, it appears that John de Grey and his wife, Maud, were small children at the time of Eleanor de Verdun's fine. Complete Peerage indicates that John de Grey was born about 1268 (he being aged 40 at his father's death in 1308). Eleanor de Verdun's other known child, Humphrey, was born in 1267. It would be odd for Eleanor to convey her property to children, unless of course one of the parties was her own child.
Following John de Grey's death, the manor of Debden, Essex was in turn held by John and Maud de Grey's son and heir, Henry de Grey, Lord Grey, of Wilton (see Cal. IPM, vol. 8, pg. 261), as well as by a later Henry Grey, Lord Grey, of Wilton (see Cal. IPM, vol. 17, pg. 253). At the later Henry de Grey's death, he is stated to hold the manor of "Weldebernys" in Debden of the Countess of Hereford (a Bohun descendant). The passage of this manor down to John de Grey's son, Henry, and thence to his heirs gives evidence that Henry was in fact the son of John de Grey's wife, Maud de Verdun.
These new discoveries causes a ripple of corrections for Complete Peerage as well as for the Plantagenet Ancestry manuscript. For starters, it now appears that John de Grey had but one wife, Maud de Verdun, not two as claimed by Complete Peerage. Also, it appears Maud de Verdun was the mother of all of John de Grey's children, presumably including Iseult Saint Pierre, living 1343, whose existence and identity I mentioned in a post this past week.
As for the identity of parentage of Eleanor de Bohun, Complete Peerage indicates that she married before 1267 to John de Verdun, and that they had a son, Humphrey de Verdun, born in 1267. If we assume that Eleanor was around 20 at the time of marriage, say 1265, the chronology would place Eleanor, born say 1245, as a hitherto unknown daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (died 1275), by his 2nd wife, Maud de Avenbury. The date of the marriage of Earl Humphrey and Maud de Avenbury is not known, but presumably it was soon after the death of his 1st wife, Maud of Eu, which took place in 1241. Earl Humphrey and Maud are known to have had children, but no modern descendants have been found for this couple.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com
http://cybergata.com/roots/8818.htm
=== !BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen ===
!BIR-MAR: Bk, Medieval Knight by Stephen Turnbull.
=== Following excerpted from a posting to so ===
Following excerpted from a posting to soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup:
From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Maud de Verdun, wife of John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-02-13 22:42:27 PST
I should add that when I first posted my discovery of the 1276/7 fine, I was of the impression that John and Maud de Grey were small children when the fine was recorded. I held this view because Complete Peerage stated that John was said to be aged 40 at the time of his father's death in 1308, or born about 1268. However, it now appears that that John was actually closer to age 50 in 1308, which is indicated by John's first appearance as an adult in the records in the late 1270's, as shown by Moor's Knights of Edward I. I have also since located the Grey pedigree in Blore's History of Rutland which states that John de Grey married Maud, daughter of John de Verdun. Since Blore never saw the fine below, it would appear he relied on another source for the marriage of John and Maud de Grey.
best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
=== Relationship to N. G. Utting note ===
Twenty-Fourth Great Grandmother : Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandmother
=== Almost nothing is known about Maud de Ve ===
Almost nothing is known about Maud de Verdun. Her existence is an inference.
Chris Phillips writes in ''Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage'', under [http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_greyofwilton.shtml Volume 6: Grey of Wilton] (PROPOSED CORRECTIONS):
Volume 6, page 174:
He [John (de Grey), Lord Grey (of Wilton) (died 1323)] married 1stly (it is said), Anne, daughter of Sir William DE FERRERS, of Groby, co. Leicester, by his 1st wife, Anne, da. of Sir Hugh LE DESPENSER, of Ryhall, Rutland, Loughborough, co. Leicester, Parlington, co. York, &c. Hem., 2ndly, Maud, who is said to have been daughter of Sir Ralph BASSET, of Drayton, co. Stafford, by Margaret, daughter of Sir Roger DE SOMERY, of Dudley, co. Worcester.
:Douglas Richardson, in January 2002, provided evidence that John's wife in 1277 was called Maud, and suggested that she was the daughter of John de Verdun (d. 1274), by his second wife Eleanor, who was apparently a Bohun [citing Essex Feet of Fines, vol. 2, p. 13, a fine by whichEleanor settled lands in Debden, Essex, on John and Maud, in Trinity Term, 5 Edward I]. He also pointed out that Blore [History and Antiquities of the County of Rutland, pp. 164, 165 (1811)] identifies a wife of John de Grey as "Matilda, daughter of John de Verdun".
:The evidence suggests further that Maud was the mother of John's sons Henry and Roger (who later disputed the manor of Weldebernes, in Debden [citing Index of Placita de Banco, 1327-1328, part 1, p. 143 (P.R.O.Lists and Indexes, no 32)]) and his daughter Joan (whose daughter Margaret was found to be related in the fourth degree to her husband Johnde Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex (died 1335/6) [citing Calendar of Papal Letters, vol. 2, p. 349]).
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p609.htm#i18281 Marlyn Lewis].
__________
Style standards rule. See Changes tab for history.
Thanks to [[Harper-1691 | Jean Maunder]], [[Riedesel-2 |Dallas Riedesel]], [[Rose-518|Derek Rose]], [[Alvis-9|Katherine Patterson]], [[Durrell-33 | Pamela Durrell]], [[Wilkinson-867 | Stephen Wilkinson]], [[Kelley-630 | Christina Marshall]], in no particular order.
----
== Biography ==
== Sources ==
* '''Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson Vol. V p. 368'''
* Magna Carta Ancestry 2011 2nd ed. Vol. IV p. 341-343
=== My PAF Notes ===
from thepeerage.com, 6/2009:
Maud Basset1
F, #42687
Maud Basset||p4269.htm#i42687|Sir Ralph Basset|d. 4 Aug 1265|p3683.htm#i36825|Margaret de Somery||p11697.htm#i116970|Ralph Basset|d. bt 1254 - 1261|p11697.htm#i116965||||Roger de Somery||p2353.htm#i23521|Nicole d'Aubigny||p2352.htm#i23520|
Last Edited=29 Dec 2008
Maud Basset was the daughter of Sir Ralph Basset and Margaret de Somery .1 She married John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton) , son of Sir Reynold de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Wilton) and Maud de Longchamp .1
Her married name became de Grey.1
Children of Maud Basset and John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton)
Sir Roger de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Ruthin) + d. 6 Mar 1352/532
Joan de Grey + d. b 5 Apr 13531
Citations
[S6 ] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VI, page 174. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
[S37 ] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003). Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
=== Name Suffix: Baroness of Grey ===
Name Suffix: Baroness of Grey
REFN: HWS20083
Ancestral File Number: 9FSB-3K
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\C_baron1.GIF
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\Grey.GIF
OBJE: C:\LEGACY\PICTURES\bassett2.jpg
=== SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 S ===
SORLEY'S PEDIGREES (GS NUMBER Q929.242 SO68) P.38, 45, 46; COKAYNE'S COMPLETE PEERAGE; BURKE'S DORMANT AND EXTINCT PEERAGE; DUGDALE'S BARONETAGE, VOL 1 P.619 THRU 629; ROYAL ANCESTORS OF MAGNA CHARTA BARONS BY COLLINS; GREY FROM COUNTY CORTLAND AND RUTLAND BY BLOARE; ANCESTRAL FILE, LDS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY;
Preferred Parents:
Father: John de Verdun, b. 1223 in Alton, Staffordshire, England d. 17 OCT 1274 in Alton, Staffordshire, England
Mother: Eleanor de Bohun, b. BEF 1241 in Debden, Saffron Walden, Essex, England d. AFT 12 JUN 1278 in Alton, Staffordshire, England
Family 1: John de Grey, b. 1258 in Wilton, Wiltshire, England d. 28 OCT 1323 in Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
- Joan de Grey, b. 1283 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales d. 5 APR 1353 in Drayton Bassett, Staffordshire, England
- Henry de Grey - III Lord Grey of Wilton, b. 28 OCT 1282 in Wilton, Herefordshire, England d. 10 DEC 1342 in Shirland, Derbyshire, England
- Maud de Grey, b. 1270 in Wilton, Herefordshire, England d. 1298 in Maperton, Somerset, England
- Roger DeGrey, 1st Baron Grey of Ruthin, b. 1290 in Wilton Castle, Ros-on-Wye, Herefordshire, England d. 6 MAR 1353 in Ruthyn Castle, Denbighshire, Wales
Sources:
- Title: Maud de Verdun Grey - findagrave.com
Publication: Name: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177676713/maud_de-grey;
Note: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177676713/maud_de-grey
Maud de Verdun Grey
BIRTH unknown England
DEATH unknown England
BURIAL Burial Details Unknown
MEMORIAL ID 177676713
Maud de Verdun and John de Grey married before 1276.
Before 2002 John's wife was generally thought to be Maud Bassett but Douglas Richardson found through his research into property transfer and dispute records, and marriage records of the time that Maud de Verdun, the daughter of Eleanor (de Bohun) Verdun was most certainly the wife of this John de Grey.
Parents: John de Verdun (1223–1274)
Eleanor de Bohun Verdun
- Title: Internet Archive: Proceedings; Pedigree of Hastings; Nicholas de Moels
Author: Internet Archive: Proceedings by Somersetshire Archaeological and Natural History Society; published 1891;.
Publication: Name: https://archive.org/details/proceedings36some_0/page/148/mode/2up?q=John+Moels;
Note: Nicholas de Moels: married to Hawyse, daughter & co-heiress of James (?Henry) de Newmarch of Cadbury & Saperton;
-Roger, son & heir, (died 13 Ed I) who married Alice, daughter & heiress of William de Preux.;
--John, son & heir, aged 26 at his father's death, married ...daughter of ...Grey of Ruthyn;
---Nicholas, son & heir, married Margaret, daughter of Hugh Courtenay, Baron of Okehampton (died 28 Feb 1291) by Eleanor, daughter of Hugh le Despencer. She died 23 Ed III.;
----Richard, son & heir, died without offspring;
----Sir John Moels of North Cadbury, Somerset & Berkhampstead, Hertsford, married Joan, daughter of Sir Richard Lovell of Castle Cary;
-----Muriel, daughter & coheiress, married Sir Thomas de Courtenay (4th son of Hugh de Courtenay, created Earl of Devon 22 Feb 1335, by Agnes, daughter of John Lord St John. He died in 1356.;
-----Isabel, daughter & coheiress, had North Cadbury, married William Botreaux of Botreaux Castle (Boscastle), Cornwall.
- Title: Legacy NFS Source: Maud Basset -
Author: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999, Page number: 1227
Note: ABBR Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
Page: Migrated from user-supplied source citation: urn:familysearch:source:3244726614
- Title: FSDL: Leicestershire Pedigrees & Royal Descents; page 68, Grey, Earl of Stamford, Anschetil de Grai & descendents
Author: Family Search Digital Library: Leicestershire Pedigrees and Royal Descents; page 68, Grey, Earl of Stamford.
Publication: Name: https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/488366-leicestershire-pedigrees-and-royal-descents?viewer=1&offset=0#page=88&viewer=picture&o=download&n=0&q=;
Note: Grey, Earl of Stamford; This very ancient family derives its origin from:
-Anschetil de Grai, who at the Domesday Survey, 1086, held the manor of Rotherfield and 6 other manors in community of Oxen, of the fee of William FitzOsborn, Earl of Hereford. His successors are trace as benefactors to Eynsham Abbey. His son,
-Richard de Grey, was a benefactor to Eynsham Abbey, 1110. He had, by Mabilia his wife, 3 children: (1) Anschetil, of whom next; (2) William; and (3) a son, who became a monk of Eynsham.
-Anschetil de Grey, married Eva, daughter of Baldwin de Redvers, and had issue 2 sons: (1) Henry of whom next; and (2) John, Bishop of Norwich 1200, died 1214.
- Henry de Grey, had a grant of Turroc, Essex from Richard I in 1194, which was confirmed by King John, with the privilege of hunting the hares and fox in any lands belonging to the crown, except the King's own demesnes; in 1217 he had a grant of Grimston manor, Notts; he married Isolda, neice and co-heiress of Robert Bardolph, and had issue 6 sons: (1) Richard of Codnor, co. Derby, constable of Dover Castle & warden of the Cinque Ports 1257; grandfather of Henry, Lord Grey of Codnor...; (2) John, of whom presently; (3) William of Landford, Notts & Sandiacre, Derby, said to be ancestor of Lord Walsingham; (4) Robert of Rotherfield, Oxen; great-grandfather of John, Lord Grey of Rotherfield...; (5) Walter, Bishop of Lichfield 1208, of Worcester 1215, & Archbishop of York 1217, Lord Chancellor 1205-1214, buried at York, M.I.; (6) Henry.
- John de Grey, justice of Chester 1248; sheriff of Bucks & Bedford 1238; Sheriff of Notts & Derby; died 1265. His son (by Emma, daughter & heiress of Geoffrey de Glanville).
-Reginald de Grey, justice of Chester 1280; obtained the castle of Ruthyn; summoned to Parliament as a baron from 1295 to 1307. Lord Grey de Wilton; married Maud, daughter & heiress of William Lord FitzHugh, by Hawys, daughter & heiress of Hugh de Longchamp, of Wilton Castle, Hereford, which came into the Grey family by this marriage. He died 1308 leaving issue, with a daughter Joane, married to Ralph, 2nd Lord Basset of Drayton, a son:
- John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey de Wilton: summoned to Parliament from 1309 to 1322; justice of North Wales 1316; born 1268; died 1323; married 1st Anne, daughter of William, Lord Ferrers of Groby, by whom he had a son, Henry, 3rd Lord Grey de Wilton; & 2ndly Maud, daughter of Ralph Lord Basset, by whom she had a son,
- Roger de Gray, summoned to Parliament as Lord Grey de Ruthyn in 1324; died 1353; married Elizabeth, daughter of John, 2nd Lord Hastings. His son,
-Reginald de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey de Ruthyn, died 1388, leaving issue, by Alianora his wife, a son & heir,
-Reginald de Grey, 3rd Lord Grey de Ruthyn; found to be heir to John 6th Lord Hastings & 3rd Earl of Pembroke in 1391,....
- Title: Maud de Verdun (1258-1293), Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors
Author: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p609.htm#i18281 index to pedigrees [citations]
Publication: Name: https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p609.htm#i18281;
Note: Maud de Verdun [1,2,3,4,5]
Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
F, #18281, b. circa 1258, d. after 1293
Father Sir John de Verdun, Constable of Ireland, Keeper of Odiham Castle, Justice itinerant for Shropshire & Staffordshire6,7,4,8 b. c 1226, d. c 17 Oct 1274
Mother Eleanor de Bohun6,7,8 b. c 1241, d. a 10 Jun 1278
Maud de Verdun was born circa 1258 at of Alton, Staffordshire, England.2 She married Sir John de Grey, 2nd Baron Grey of Wilton, Justiciar of North Wales, son of Sir Reginald de Grey, 1st Lord Grey of Wilton and Maud de Longchamp, before 1275; They had 2 sons (Sir Henry, 3rd Lord Grey of Wilton; & Sir Roger, 1st Lord Grey of Ruthin) and 3 daughters (Iseult, wife of Urian de St. Pierre, & of Sir William Inge; Maud, wife of John, 1st Lord Moels; & Joan, wife of Sir Ralph, 2nd Lord Basset of Drayton).9,3,4,5 Maud de Verdun died after 1293.3,5
Family: Sir John de Grey, 2nd Baron Grey of Wilton, Justiciar of North Wales b. b 1268, d. 28 Oct 1323
Children:
Iseult de Grey+9,3,5 d. c 16 May 1370
Sir Roger de Grey, 1st Lord Grey of Ruthyn+10,9,11,3,12,13,5 d. 6 Mar 1353
Maud de Grey+14,9,15,3,16,5 b. c 1274
Sir Henry de Grey, 3rd Baron Grey+9,3,5 b. 28 Oct 1281 or 28 Oct 1282, d. 10 Dec 1342 or 16 Dec 1342
Joan Grey+9,4,5 b. c 1290, d. c 5 Apr 1353
Citations:
1. [S5408] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. VI, p. 174.
2. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 764.
3. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 341-342.
4. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 6-7.
5. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 367-368.
6. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 763-764.
7. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 340.
8. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 366.
9. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 764-765.
10. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 620.
11. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 271.
12. [S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 100.
13. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 123.
14. [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 501.
15. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 147.
16. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 94.
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- Title: FSDL: Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the UK: Vol IV, de Grey
Author: Family Research Library: Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britian and The United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant; Volume IV; page 96, Grey De Codnor; page105, Grey de Ruthyn, or de Grey; & page 111, Grey de Wilton, Grey de Shirland, or de Grey .
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Note: Page 96: GREY DE CODNOR
(a) Henry de Grey who received from king Richard I the manor of Thurrock (hence called "Greys-Thurrock") in Essex is the ancestor of the wide spread family of Grey... This Henry (who married Isolda Bardolf. heiress of Codnor, co. Derby, and who was living in 1224) is generally considered to have six sons: (I) Richard Grey of Codnor, living 1258, whose grandson, Henry, was in 1299 summoned as Lord Grey de Codnor; (II) John Grey, whose son & heir, Reginald, was in 1295 summoned as Lord Grey de Wilton and whose younger grandson, Roger G. was summoned in 1324 as Lord Grey de Ruthyn... (III) William Grey said by some to be ancestor of Sir William de Grey of Merton, co. Norfolk, cr. in 1780 Baron Walsingham; (IV) Robert Grey of Rotherfield, Oxon, ancestor of john Grey, summoned in 1338 as Lord Grey de Rotherfield; (V) Walter Grey, Archbishop of York, 1216-55; and (VI) Henry Grey.
Page 111: GREY DE WILTON, GREY DE SHIRLAND, or DE GREY;
I. 1295; 1. Sir Reginald de Grey, son & heir of Sir John de Grey(a) sometime Steward of Gascony and Governor of the Castles of Northampton, Shrewsbury, Dover, and Hereford, by his first wife, Emma, daughter and heiress of Sir Geoffrey de Glanville; succeeded his father (1265-66), 50 Henry III; was made Justice of Chester (1280-81), 9 Edward I, and was granted the Castle of Ruthyn, the Cantred of Deffryn Cluit, &c., on the Welsh Marches in (1281-82), 10 Edward I. He was summoned to Parliment (b) as a Baron (Lord de Grey) by writs from 23 June (1295) to 26 Aug (1307), 1 Edward II directed "Reginaldo de Grey". He was Assistant to Prince Edward (1296-97) 25 Edward I, when appointed Governor of England during the King's absence(c). He married Maud, daughter and heiress of William Fitz-Hugh, by Hawys, daughter and heiress of Henry de Longchamp of Wilton Castle, co. Hereford. He died (1307/8) 1 Edward II.
II. 1308; 2. John (Grey), Lord de Grey, son and heir, aged 40 at his father's death in 1308, having been, in father's lifetime, Vice justice of Chester 16 Edward II, by writs directed "Johanni de Grey". He was justice of north Wales in 1315 and being hostile to the Court was one of the permanent council appointed in 1318 to keep the King in check, tho' four years later he joined the Royal cause. He married firstly Anne, sister of William, 1st Lord Ferrers de Groby, daughter of William Ferrers of Groby, co. Leicester, by his first wife, Joane, daughter of Hugh le Despenscer. He married secondly, Maud, daughter of Ralph (Basset) 1st Lord Basset de Drayton, by Margaret, daughter of Roger Someri, feudal Lord of Dudley. He died 28 Oct (1323) 17 Edward II.(d)
III. 1323; 3. Henry (Grey) Lord de Grey, son and heir by first wife, aged 40 at his father's death in 1324 when he was serving in the wars with France. He was summoned to Parliament from 30 Dec (1324) 18 Edward II to 12 Sep (1342) 16 Edward III, by writs directed "Henrico de Grey". He married Anne, daughter and heiress of Ralph Rockley, by Elizabeth, daughter of William de Clare. He died (1342) 16 Edward III.
IV. 1342; 4. Reginald (Grey), Lord de Grey, son and heir, aged 30 at his father's death in 1342. He was summoned to parliament from 24 Feb (1342/3) 17 Edward III to 20 Nov (1360) 34 Edward III, by writs directed "Reginaldo de Grey", but after (1349) 23 Edward III, with the addition of the word "Seniori".(e) He was a Banneret (1345) 19 Edward III. He married Maud, said to have been daughter of ... de Botetourt.(f) He died at Whitsuntide (1370) 44 Edward III. His wife survived him.
(a) This John was 2nd son of Henry Grey of Greys-Thurrocks, co. Essex (See page 96.)
(b) His name occurs in the Rolls of parliament before the record of writs of summons commenced.
(c) His name as "Reginaldus de Grey, D'n's de Ruthyn" occurs in the famous letter of Barons to the Pope in 1301. (See "Nicolas" pages 761-809.)
(d) The Castle of Ruthyn, &c, as also lands in Beds, &c, were inherited by his 2nd son
(e) "But for what reason does not appear for there was not any other Grey of the name Reginald in any of the said summonses." (Banks' Bar. Angl., Vol I, page 231.)
(f) It does not appear that she was the Maud, Abbes of Polesworth, one of the daughters of John, 2nd Lord Botetourt....
Roger Grey (1st son of 2nd wife) who was created Lord Grey de Ruthyn in 1324 and was ancestor of those Lords. (See page 105.)
Page 105: GREY DE RUTHYN, or DE GREY
I. 1324; 1. Roger de Grey, younger son of John (Grey) Lord Grey de Wilton, being eldest son of his second wife, Maud, said to be a daughter of Ralph (Basset) Lord Basset, born about 1298, having in his father's lifetime, served in the Scotish expedition 1318 and sat in the Parliament of York 1322, became on his father's death (1323-24) 17 Edward II, possessed of the Castle of Ruthyn, &c, in the Welsh Marches, as also of considerable estates in Herts, Beds, Bucks, &c, and was summoned to Parliament as a Baron (Lord de Grey) from 30 Dec (1324) 18 Edward II to 15 Nov (1351) 25 Edward III, by writs directed "Rogero de Grey". He served in the French wars in 1345. He married Elizabeth, daughter of John (Hastings) Lord Hastings, by his first wife, Isabel, daughter of William (de Valence) Earl of Pembroke. He died 6 Mar (1352/3) 27 Edward III.
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